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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I think I fit in the category with you homer of not pro Hawk but pro Metcalf and certainly his relentless attacking style. I do think that when you put an athlete on the mat with Metcalf who isn't intimidated by him and is a threat offensively and is willing to go seven minutes with him, you are going to see good matches like these. I think DS and to an extent, Steve Brown are other examples. If you don't attack against a guy like Metcalf you aren't going to get on top and if you can't wear him down a little bit than you are in for a long (or short) match.
    Solid assessment IMHO

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    I was more-or-less ambivalent about Metcalf until he disrespected Lance Palmer. I will never root for him now. In his apology i see the word frustration. That hits the nail on the head. So bravo to him, at least for that, if these are his words faithfully repeated.

    These message boards are sooooo political. If you don't agree with someone, you are a hater. I don't buy it. I even copied a post by one of that other forum's members who I dislike a great deal (BAC is his handle). I copied it because I agreed with what he wrote and knew that Themat was going to promptly delete it, which it did.

    No need to hehash any of the actual event. Two points are important, though:

    1. That Ken Shirtaugh alluded to non-wrestling fans seeing it.
    2. People read too much into what other people write, assuming things that are not there.
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    One more shot at the dead horse:

    I agree with Ken Shirtaugh and disagree with Schlottke. The more I watch the video and read the comments, the more I believe that my initial thought that it should have been a flagrant misconduct was wrong. Still, whether Metcalf intended to hurt Caldwell or was just wrestling to the whistle and his momentum carried him into him, the apology was necessary to give us some closure and show that he does understand the concept of good sportsmanship. Even if he was forced to offer a bullshit apology, which I don't think is the case, it is a statement which younger kids can read and learn from and is what had to be said, sincere or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    One more shot at the dead horse:

    I agree with Ken Shirtaugh and disagree with Schlottke. The more I watch the video and read the comments, the more I believe that my initial thought that it should have been a flagrant misconduct was wrong. Still, whether Metcalf intended to hurt Caldwell or was just wrestling to the whistle and his momentum carried him into him, the apology was necessary to give us some closure and show that he does understand the concept of good sportsmanship. Even if he was forced to offer a bullshit apology, which I don't think is the case, it is a statement which younger kids can read and learn from and is what had to be said, sincere or not.

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    I really felt that his apology at the NCAAs was enough, though. It's always good to do it again in a more professional way (even if you're forced to), but I simply meant that I felt his original explanation was enough for us... Granted- kids may be more likely to see the press release apology, so I can see why it is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    I was more-or-less ambivalent about Metcalf until he disrespected Lance Palmer. I will never root for him now. In his apology i see the word frustration. That hits the nail on the head. So bravo to him, at least for that, if these are his words faithfully repeated.

    These message boards are sooooo political. If you don't agree with someone, you are a hater. I don't buy it. I even copied a post by one of that other forum's members who I dislike a great deal (BAC is his handle). I copied it because I agreed with what he wrote and knew that Themat was going to promptly delete it, which it did.

    No need to hehash any of the actual event. Two points are important, though:

    1. That Ken Shirtaugh alluded to non-wrestling fans seeing it.
    2. People read too much into what other people write, assuming things that are not there.
    I had actually forgot about the interview after the Palmer match... That was quite something.

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    LwdSteve how is the Metcalf vs Palmer comment different than what Herbert said about Keddy? Yet other than a few Iowa fans nobody made a big stink about Jake Herbert saying almost the exact same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlottke View Post
    I really felt that his apology at the NCAAs was enough, though. It's always good to do it again in a more professional way (even if you're forced to), but I simply meant that I felt his original explanation was enough for us... Granted- kids may be more likely to see the press release apology, so I can see why it is necessary.
    Oh. Reading your post in this thread, I thought you meant that no apology was necessary. I apologize (no bullshit).
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    Let's move on maybe...........but.........he didn't chase caldwell from the point that he let him up.....he didn't chase or even shoot while Caldwell faced him after escaping. A push does not generally lead to a TD even if it is on the mat or there is time on the clock.

    You may remember what arguably the greatest international wrestler of all time did in the 2000 Olympics????
    Karelin, with about 5 seconds to go and no way to win, stopped in his tracks, lowered his arms and bowed to Gardner..........that is class.

    Iowa obviously realised that the U took a big hit publicity wise and this was the result. I think that it is interesting that there is no comment by Tom B.

    Ok, let's get on to the next season, but this whole incident has been bad for wrestling and this appology is 5 days too late for me to believe that it is heartfelt and sincere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    When a wrestler puts his back to you, 1:00 on the clock, or 0:05, there's a chance for a 5 point move. Metcalf didn't stop wrestling and went after it. Metcalf was incapable of stopping before time expired. He does stop when he's 18-4, he won't stop when he's down 10-6. It's his inherenet nature.

    As I have said before, it happened that Caldwell decided to add the backflip to the cartwheel and just happened to throw his knees into Metcalf's face. Metcalf didn't know he was doing that. Involuntary sellf defense took over and he gave a slight push to those legs out of his face. It looked far worse than it really was.

    I commend the kid for offering it up and it covers what I expect happened.

    Let's move on.
    The bit about it looking worse than it was is actually not how I saw it and I was on the floor. I think it was more dangerous than it looks on video. Caldwell landed directly in front of my buddy John Sachs and John said he will remember that landing for some time. A lot of people on the floor weer pretty shaken by it, and I think mostly because of the potential of a serious injury. If Caldwell had gone off the platform at that height even with his athleticism he would have been seriously hurt.

    The best way I can sum it up is the energy of that moment went from wrestling match to street fight. That's hard to see on video or maybe even from the stands (I'm not sure).
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