Is Stieber another J Jaggers?

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Originally Posted by vaisforlovers

I dont think thats a fair comparison to Logan, who only lost 2 matches(right?) all year. J had periods where he wasnt .500. I dont see Logan having the regular season struggles J did.

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Agreed.

Jaggers had a period of time during his senior year where he was winless for an entire month.

Logan Stieber is more of a Logan Stieber a RS Freshman who comes in wrestles pretty good during the season then breaks my heart beating the national champ with a questionable call.

Fun Fact of the day, my assistant wrestling coach was wrestling partners with J Jaggers when they were both at Chanel High School (Where my Head Coach was the first ever head wrestling coach in that school's history)

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Originally Posted by FalconWrestlingKY

Logan Stieber is more of a Logan Stieber a RS Freshman who comes in wrestles pretty good during the season then breaks my heart beating the national champ with a questionable call.

Fun Fact of the day, my assistant wrestling coach was wrestling partners with J Jaggers when they were both at Chanel High School (Where my Head Coach was the first ever head wrestling coach in that school's history)

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Questionable indeed. Looking at the replay, it does appear that Oliver's head was buried but in my opinion that gets called a td during a regular season match, or really anytime other than in the title match with 5 seconds left.

I'm guessing your coach took a few lumps in practice but came out all the better for it.

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Originally Posted by oldfart

Questionable indeed. Looking at the replay, it does appear that Oliver's head was buried but in my opinion that gets called a td during a regular season match, or really anytime other than in the title match with 5 seconds left.

I'm guessing your coach took a few lumps in practice but came out all the better for it.

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I agree: it was a questionable call, but not a terrible call. It could have gone either way, but in the end Oliver did not do enough to win the match.

I know I'm getting nit picky here, but I am a Buckeye and Stieber fan, so I'm allowed. There was no call. There can't be a questionable call when no call was made. The only way it could have been a questionable call is if the ref actually made a call. Much like the questionable call in the McIntosh vs Campolattono match a few weeks earlier. So, I would say that Oliver's decision to wait so long to shoot was the only questionable call someone made.

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Originally Posted by quinn14

I know I'm getting nit picky here, but I am a Buckeye and Stieber fan, so I'm allowed. There was no call. There can't be a questionable call when no call was made. The only way it could have been a questionable call is if the ref actually made a call. Much like the questionable call in the McIntosh vs Campolattono match a few weeks earlier. So, I would say that Oliver's decision to wait so long to shoot was the only questionable call someone made.

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The more I've watched it and mulled it over, the more I don't believe it was 2. I've been wrestling since then and ended up in similar situation, and really until the guys head is out, it's not 2.

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Originally Posted by vaisforlovers

The more I've watched it and mulled it over, the more I don't believe it was 2. I've been wrestling since then and ended up in similar situation, and really until the guys head is out, it's not 2.

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I also agree with the ref's call, as his head was buried pretty deep. At the time I thought he was robbed but the replay does help and it was the correct call. I was saying it was questionable because (in my opinion) refs will call that a takedown in just about every other situation other than a title match with seconds left on the clock. I think that Oliver's inaction after he got in on Stieber's legs like that backs this up; he is used to being given the '2' when he gets that far in. Or maybe he was just trying to sell it, I don't know.

JO did jack shxt for 6:50 seconds -Steiber deserved the win.

hijack alert...

I just watched the match for the first time. The next time the neverending debate that folkstyle is better than freestyle comes up because folkstyle has control, I'm bringing up this match. Not sure how standing behind someone (first JO takedown) and laying on your stomach while someone has you in a front headlock (last second action) aren't terribly "controlling". This match also seems like a textbook case for video review.

Based on the original topic, I think Stiever is just that good. He has already placed high at the jr worlds and the Olympic trials, and has beaten the current 55 kg Olympian. Oliver seems to struggle just a little bit when the pressure is on.