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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Youre conveiniently disregarding Elis interceptions, but fine. It means very little considering Tom has more rings, more super bowl appearances(2 time super bowl mvp) 2 time regular season mvp. Not to mention Eli has had elite defenses around him both years, where Bradys have been mediocre to horrible at times. Not to mention the offensive weapon disparity as well.

    Youre a homer, and i have no allegiances to Brady as Im a skins fan.
    Defensive scoring rankings for the Patriots for their 3 Super Bowl wins: 6 (2001), 2(2003), 1(2004)

    Defensive scoring rankings for the Giants for their 2 Super Bowl wins over the Pats: 17(2007), 25(2011)

    In their two head to head Super Bowl years, the Patriots had the 4th(2007) ranked scoring defense and the 15th(2011) ranked scoring defense. As mentioned, the Giants had the 17th and 25th in those same years.

    The facts, they do not agree with your assertions.

    And of course you have a reason to be biased, the Giants are one of your in-division rivals who's owner also just politicked to take money from your team.
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    Couldnt be more wrong. Didnt even know your owner was involved. Doesnt matter to me. Giants are the third rival in the nfc east.

    Since you considered head to head match ups you cant help but concede that Rex Grossman > Eli as well.

    In reality I think Eli is excellent. If I had to rank Id go Brady, Rodgers, Eli.

    Aaron is the most talented imo, but needs another SB run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Couldnt be more wrong. Didnt even know your owner was involved. Doesnt matter to me. Giants are the third rival in the nfc east.

    Since you considered head to head match ups you cant help but concede that Rex Grossman > Eli as well.

    In reality I think Eli is excellent. If I had to rank Id go Brady, Rodgers, Eli.

    Aaron is the most talented imo, but needs another SB run.
    I didn't say that head to head is the only thing that matters. I said it was important here because it happened in the Super Bowl. I also showed that, statistically, Eli is ahead of where Brady was at the same point of his career. Eli does have more INTs, I've always said he's a mix of Brett Favre and Peyton in the way he plays. Not that he's better than either guy, just that's what his game most resembles.
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    VAIS, I was hoping you were a Ravens fan. I've had many battles on the aforementioned Refuge Forum in regard Flacco versus Brady. Although Brady's team won 2 or was it 3 Superbowls in his first 4 years, Flacco actually has better numbers. I'm a big Eli fan. Living under Peyton's shadow has to be tough, Eli is one tough SOB. I"m also a big Brady fan being a Big 10 guy and all. DC

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Youre conveiniently disregarding Elis interceptions, but fine. It means very little considering Tom has more rings, more super bowl appearances(2 time super bowl mvp) 2 time regular season mvp. Not to mention Eli has had elite defenses around him both years, where Bradys have been mediocre to horrible at times. Not to mention the offensive weapon disparity as well.

    Youre a homer, and i have no allegiances to Brady as Im a skins fan.

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    Eli will be viewed(and already is viewed by me) as better than Favre when his career is over imo.

    Flacco being better than Brady is a conversation whos particpants are all nuts. What numbers could you possibly be referring to?
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    Once again I had to go searching through another forum's thread to find my analysis of Flacco versus Brady's first 4 years in the league. In 4 years Flacco now has 48 wins and 4 playoff wins. If it wasn't for his receivers dropping balls during critical 4th quarter drives in 2 AFC Championship games the Ravens would have played in 2 Superbowls. Here's the analysis:

    2000 season Brady was 1-3 passing for 6 yards. 42 QB rating

    2001 Superbowl Brady threw for 145 yards and one touchdown. Vinatieri bailed them out. 86.5 QB rating

    2002 - Brady has 85.7 rating 28 touchdowns 14 picks. 85.7 QB rating

    2003 Superbowl Brady had a great game 345 yards, 3 touchdowns, Vinatieri bails them out again. 85.9 QB rating

    2004 Superbowl 236 yards and 2 touchdowns 92.6 QB rating

    His QB rating didn't start spiking until year 2007, his 7th in the league.

    Joe Flacco on the other hand has had QB ratings of:

    2008 - 80.3 Brady's first year - 42 - Advantage Flacco
    2009 - 88.9 Brady's second year - 86.5 - Advantage Flacco
    2010 - 93.6 Brady's third year - 85.7 - Advantage Flacco
    2011 - 80.9 Brady's fourth year - 85.9 - Advantage Brady

    If we want to look at passing yards during the same period as above

    2008 - 2971 yards Brady's first year - 6 yards - advantage Flacco
    2009 - 3613 yards Brady's second year - 2,843 - advantage Flacco
    2010 - 3622 yards Brady's third year - 3,764 - slight advantage Brady
    2011 - 3610 yards Brady's fourth year - 3,620 - very slight advantage Brady

    So in conclusion, Flacco is comparing very well with one of the games greatest QB's of all time in his first 4 years! Nough Said, I'm OUT!


    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Eli will be viewed(and already is viewed by me) as better than Favre when his career is over imo.

    Flacco being better than Brady is a conversation whos particpants are all nuts. What numbers could you possibly be referring to?

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    Clearly there are no Saints fans on here because Drew Brees is as good or better than any QB in the league right now and no one has mentioned him.

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    If you look from this point forward, I would say the best quarterbacks in the league are Eli Manning, followed by Flacco followed by Rogers. Brees, Rothlisberger, Brady, Manning are all in the twilights of their careers and their best years are behind them. If memory serves me correctly Brees and Rogers both lost first round playoff games last year both in games they were favored to win. DC

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Clearly there are no Saints fans on here because Drew Brees is as good or better than any QB in the league right now and no one has mentioned him.

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    I'm pretty sure Brees threw for over 5,000 yards and 45+ touchdowns. If that's the twilight of a career, then I'd prefer twilight over prime.

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