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    125: McDonough is just better at this point in his career. Nico wasn't able to hold him off, and never really threatened with his own offense. He's a true frosh, so the sky's the limit from here. Nice reload for Penn State.

    133: Weird match. Oliver didn't look like he normally does, and I don't know if there was something wrong or if it was something Stieber did. Stieber looked totally outmatched during their first match, and they looked like equals here.

    141: Russell is just a bit better than Marion. I wish there was something else I could say. Last year Marion was able to penetrate on his shots against Russell fairly consistently, even if he didn't always get the TD. This year, Russell appeared to have taken that up a notch and Marion only really threatened him once or twice combined in all their matches.

    149: Ness wrestled his ass off, but Molinaro is just a hoss, especially in a relatively weak weight. Molinaro appeared to be slightly off his game for most of the tournament after his injury, whatever it was. Ness is going to be a bonus machine for his next three years, especially once he adds some muscle.

    157: Like Marion, not much to say. Dake was never really threatened. I would like to think St. John could have been a more viable threat if his knee was 100%, but Dake is just a monster. Regarding the postmatch interview fiasco, the Iowa fans who booed are morons, and Dake acted beneath himself by taking a shot at St. John. It wasn't St. John booing him.

    Also, to the Cornell fans (rightly) criticizing Iowa fans for booing Dake, I'm pretty sure that was you guys I heard booing Honeycutt at the 197 final because his contact got knocked out, so...

    165: Yowza.

    174: See above.

    184: Bosak should have been hit for stalling during the match. Wright initiated the majority of the action for the match.

    197: Honeycutt faded after Simaz rode him out in the second. Honeycutt has shown a propensity to do that. He looked superior to Simaz physically, but Simaz used one of his greatest assets, his relentlessness, to win the day.

    285: I said last year that Nelson wouldn't be a real threat at this weight unless he seriously upgraded his neutral wrestling to go along with his already strong. Nelson decided to eschew that route and instead decided to become an absolute vice on top. He is nearly impossible to escape from, it seems. I don't find him to be terribly active on top, but the forward pressure he puts on guys is unreal.


    Team Thoughts: I think Penn State comes back to the pack some with Molinaro and Wade graduating. I'm also interested to see what happens at 197 and if Wright will indeed move up to make room for Brown. That might limit some of Wrights bonus point activities.

    Minnesota is probably Penn State's biggest threat next year followed closely by Iowa. They are loaded and young. The big question mark is replacing Sanders presence. Ness, Steinhaus, and Nelson are all national title threats next year, along with possibly the bigger Dardanes in a weight that is clearing out.

    Iowa has a great chance at pulling this off next year, but will be dependent on the development of their young guys. Replacing Marion will be difficult, but I think Dziewa gets that job and does reasonably well with it. Evans had a terribly disappointing tournament, but he's a title threat next year if Taylor moves up (not clear on what Howe and Caldwell's plans are). Evans needs to figure out his issues where he turns up for matches strangely flat.

    Ohio State is the team that is brimming with potential. Tons of young talent with bonus point capabilities. They have a couple of holes, but they have so much potential it's terrifying for the other teams.
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    Thanks for posting. Ohio State does have a ton of potential, but so does Penn State. You can throw Iowa in there, too (especially when you look at their incoming recruiting class), but their youth has not shined to quite as high of a level as the other two teams so far.


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    I'll hop in:
    125 Agreed. McD is the class of the, ummm, weight class. I have to admit that I like watching him wrestle. I was thrilled/stunned to see Nico make the finals (ok, and the semifinals).

    133 What happened? Oliver is one of the top two guys in all of D-I offensively and he did almost nothing. He probably should have had the TD at the end, but I can't say he deserved the match given how little he did in the most important match.

    141 Haven't watched it yet, damn neighbors having a stupid St. Patty's party.

    149 I'm impressed with them both. Frank worked through a solid knee injury and finally got the trophy. Ness has improved as much as anyone at the weight. His future looks bright. I can't wait to see him and A Alton tossing each other around the mat in next year's final! we may have to watch that one in slo-mo.

    157 Dake is that good at winning. I don't think a healthy DSJ (who really impressed me this year outside of his injured matches) could have pulled it off at 100%.

    165 34-0, only 2 regular decisions. He made up for one of those in the finals (unfortunately, Evans didn't give him the chance to avenge the other one). Honestly, I'm glad I get to see him wrestle.

    174 Ruth is the second best guy in the sport, and basically gets outshined because his teammate is #1. I was worried about this match until Ruth started doing his thing. Amuch should get a standing O for his wrestling ability and GPA. What a stud.

    184 It can be painful to watch two guys who really know each other wrestle. I was disappointed in the match: I didn't feel like either wrestler did enough to win. I thought Bosak should have had a stall call against him. Did anyone else get the feeling that Q was almost ok with not going after his long-time training partner?

    197 by far, the person I least want to get on a mat with, or meet in a dark alley, is Honeycutt. He just scares me, but Simaz is a better wrestler.

    HWT Great win for Nelson. Rey drives me nuts by winning small. Nelson could grow to be truly scary in the next two years.


    My only team thoughts are that there seem to be tons and tons of outstanding young talent. The next couple years look great.

    Oh, and the Big10 is awesome. Go ahead and give the conference 8 qualifiers at each weight, plus potential wild cards, like the old days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    I'll hop in:
    165 34-0, only 2 regular decisions. He made up for one of those in the finals (unfortunately, Evans didn't give him the chance to avenge the other one). Honestly, I'm glad I get to see him wrestle.
    Taylor majored Evans in the Big Ten finals...

    Given that Dietchler is out forever now I think we may see Ness at 157 next year. He is awfully long and lean, has room for plenty of meat to add to those bones.

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    Thanks Gantry, I forgot.

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    Wow... so just to be clear, Taylor put bonus points on every single wrestler he faced this past year. That is truly incredible, how many times has that been done? As good as Askren was I dont think he ever accomplished that, did Cael?
    Gold is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Team Thoughts: I think Penn State comes back to the pack some with Molinaro and Wade graduating. I'm also interested to see what happens at 197 and if Wright will indeed move up to make room for Brown. That might limit some of Wrights bonus point activities.

    Minnesota is probably Penn State's biggest threat next year followed closely by Iowa.
    I've said it elsewhere, but I think Penn State scores a fair amount higher next year. They had four weight classes with little scoring in this year's nationals - 133, 141, 197 and 295. Losing Molinaro will hurt a little, but I think Andrew Alton will be a top 4 level wrestler with more bonus potential at 149. If Taylor stays at 165, which seems likely at this point, Brown, Ruth and Q should score more points at 174-197 next year than Ruth, Q and MM did this. Lawson will add points at 285 probably. 133 and 141 couild see added points also.

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    ANdrew Alton is a pinner, but Molinaro bonused everyone. Alton last year was either pin or razor close match it seemed. Against top level competition, it was a loss every time. I think you're looking at losing, realistically, between 3 and 10 NCAA points.

    Lawson hasn't wrestled a match for 2 years. I don't care about what he did in New Jersey in high school. Scott Winston dominated there, too. It's no guarantee of anything.

    We'll see on Brown. Wrestling that kind of schedule is a lot different than the full D-1 grind. Either way, I definitely don't see them scoring more than they did this year. They'll be favorites going into next season, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    ANdrew Alton is a pinner, but Molinaro bonused everyone. Alton last year was either pin or razor close match it seemed. Against top level competition, it was a loss every time. I think you're looking at losing, realistically, between 3 and 10 NCAA points.

    Lawson hasn't wrestled a match for 2 years. I don't care about what he did in New Jersey in high school. Scott Winston dominated there, too. It's no guarantee of anything.

    We'll see on Brown. Wrestling that kind of schedule is a lot different than the full D-1 grind. Either way, I definitely don't see them scoring more than they did this year. They'll be favorites going into next season, though.
    Zapp--A Alton has that rep, but I don't think it's totally justified. It's true that he was 0-9 against Russell, Thorn, Marion and Kennedy. His only other loss was his 3rd match-up with Kemmerer 5-4.

    But he did have some good decision wins over good guys. After pinning Kemmerer in 40 sec his first match, he beat him 8-5 the second time. He beat Cole Von Ohlen 15-7 and 9-5. He beat Nauman 8-4 and he beat Mariacher 13-4. He's much more of a pinner than a grinder (like his brother), but it's not accurate to say he can't beat good guys without pinning them. But it's true--against those top 4 he could keep it close but couldn't ever get the win. I think that wore him down mentally his FR year.

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