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    Look at the PSU line up in 2014 when Ed & DT are seniors. They could have 5-6 guys ranked #1/#2. They could have 9 guys ranked in the top 5. They could be right up there with the 86 & 97 Hawkeyes & 05 Cowboys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    ANdrew Alton is a pinner, but Molinaro bonused everyone. Alton last year was either pin or razor close match it seemed. Against top level competition, it was a loss every time. I think you're looking at losing, realistically, between 3 and 10 NCAA points.

    Lawson hasn't wrestled a match for 2 years. I don't care about what he did in New Jersey in high school. Scott Winston dominated there, too. It's no guarantee of anything.

    We'll see on Brown. Wrestling that kind of schedule is a lot different than the full D-1 grind. Either way, I definitely don't see them scoring more than they did this year. They'll be favorites going into next season, though.
    That's your opinion, but I'll point out:

    1. Andrew's had another year to improve as a wrestler; 141 was a tough weight for him to hold and 149 should be much better for him; Molinaro had bonus points in about 2/3 of his matches, not all. I believe they'll lose 3-5 points at 149 at Nationals, but may be a stronger dual team at that weight.

    2. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed. But Rey and Lawson were both Hwt's in NJ at roughly the same time. Lawson was more dominant than Rey was and Rey did pretty well at Nationals in his career. Lawson was a lot quicker and dynamic than Rey was also. So there is at least a reasonable chance Lawson will improve on Wade's point total (was it 2.5)at Nationals.

    3. Brown is pretty good, I think. Ask Storley. Ask the two 197 wrestlers he beat - who were not slouches. Can he get more than 1 point at Nationals? Highly likely.

    4. A total of 4.5 points from 133, 141, 197 and 285 and the addition of Andrew Alton lead me to believe the loss of Molinaro's points can reasonably be overcome.

    We'll see in March 2013, but barring injury and/or wild upset, I really believe PSU will exceed this year's point total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Eisenhauer View Post
    That's your opinion, but I'll point out:

    2. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed. But Rey and Lawson were both Hwt's in NJ at roughly the same time. Lawson was more dominant than Rey was and Rey did pretty well at Nationals in his career. Lawson was a lot quicker and dynamic than Rey was also. So there is at least a reasonable chance Lawson will improve on Wade's point total (was it 2.5)at Nationals.
    Nick Amuchestegi and Brian Lemmon were all wrestling at about the same weight at about the same time in Oregon. Of the two Lemmon was far superior. He never made it to the NCAA's, he did recently place fourth at NAIAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    Nick Amuchestegi and Brian Lemmon were all wrestling at about the same weight at about the same time in Oregon. Of the two Lemmon was far superior. He never made it to the NCAA's, he did recently place fourth at NAIAs.
    Obviously I understand that, as I said "nothing is guaranteed". But there is a more than reasonable chance he can score more than 2.5 points at Nationals. And if he doesn't, it's not going to have a significant effect on PSU's score.

    Taylor and Grajales were supposedly close rivals for #1 recruit coming out of high school, but Taylor has far exceeded Grajales's performance thus far. Examples cut both ways.

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    Nate Skonieczny will come in next year and wrestle 141 for the Hawks. He will be every bit as good as Hunter Stieber was this year for Ohio State. That is my call and I'm sticking to it. The kid is going to be an absolute stud for the Hawks and I think 141 is going to be an AA next year regardless. The Hawks will be right in the title hunt. I also agree with Zapp and think that Penn State will have a hard time scoring as many points next year as they did this year.

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    I don't know if next years team will score more then this year, but I do think they are pretty significant favorites to win a title next year

    My only question is what are they doing to shore up 133?
    Gold is an idiot.

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    Had to DVR the finals on Saturday, just got a chance to watch last night. Two thoughts on the takedown calls, I thought they got one correct and one incorrect.

    Oliver definitely had the TD, there is no excuse for the ref being out of position and not being able to see control. Tough loss for Oliver, but given how good Stieber is it might not be the last time he loses to Stieber. Stieber has better defensive positioning than anyone else in college, and his inside single is almost automatic.

    On the other hand, the refs got the call right in the Wright match. It's a shame that Bosak was able to stall the entire match from neutral, but he did get the TD when it mattered. I don't think Wright will place as high as second again, bumping up to '97 is going to be tough for him. He'll AA, but not as high as second.

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    It was great to see the Cornell big men finally win their national championships after so many tries. I was really happy for them and seeing Kyle Dake cheering them on was awesome as well. Oliver got screwed, no doubt. In the after match interview you could tell that Steiber knew he was taken down and shouldn't have won. DC

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    Lets see...

    125: Well earned second title here for McDonough, and very impressive run to the finals by the kid Megaludis in avenging his losses to Sanders and Perrelli. For all the harping about Megaludis stalling I didn't really see it. In my mind (and it doesn't feel good to say this) he was the better wrestler in the quarters, he deserved to beat Sanders there. Then here in the finals I don't really understand what some people expected him to do. Its his job to wrestle the match that gives him the best chance to win. He never got to McDonough's legs, but he made attempts. In my mind that's more of a credit to McDonough's ability to handfight rather than a slight on what Megaludis was attempting to do.

    133: Oliver wrestled two matches all year where he seemed hesitant to let his offense go, against Ramos and then here against Stieber. Uncoincidentally he lost them both. I said my piece earlier, in my mind he had the takedown here at the end. If they wind up in that situation at the end of the second period or with say a minute to go in the third I think that's called two no question. Not to take away from Stieber though who wrestled a great match. Did a great job making sure Oliver was unable to ride him which was a big turn around from the match at National Duals when he was nearly cradled up. Then great job capitalizing at the end of the second with scoring his takedown. Again I have no idea why Oliver waited so long in the third. Maybe we see these guys meet up again next month at the Olympic Trials, that might be fun.

    141: When Russell came out and got his takedown in the first period I thought this match was destined to wind up like their match at Big 10's a relatively dominant win for Russell. Its a credit to the way that Marion has raised his game the last few years at big tournaments that he was able to force this match into overtime. That being said I never really saw a point in this match where I thought Russell would lose. Russell just so insanely good at doing whatever needs to be done to get his arm raised.

    149: Credit to Dylan Ness getting out there and just scrapping with Molinaro after the beatdown that he took in the Big 10 final. Watching him through out this tournament this was the style that I kind of expected from him coming into the year that made me think back in September and October that he had the ability to be here. Obviously the highlight here was when he nearly hit the elevator in the first period. Did a nice job not letting Molinaro get to his lefty high crotch which allowed him to set up an opportunity to at least go after his crazy counters. Strong work through out the tournament by Molinaro especially after he banged his knee up against Sakaguchi.

    157: New Public Enemy #1 for (some) Iowa fans, the 3x National Champion Mr. Kyle Dake! First period Dake did what he does and did a nice job getting to and finishing his offense and then riding on top with some of his trademark mat returns sprinkled in. I thought the stall call in the second period was ridiculous. St. John hadn't taken any shots yet. Figured coming in that St. John would take neutral in the third and when Dake got hit there I thought he'd earned that one, Dake definitely seemed tired in the third period. And to be straight after the match the booing didn't start when Dake said that St. John "didn't do anything" it started as soon as he opened his mouth and the first thing that he said was that he was frustrated with himself for not getting to his offense. And as far as whether or not St. John was interested in more than just punching Dake in the face all I'll say is this isn't the first match where he's gotten pretty liberal with the Shawn Bunch style open hand in the face method from neutral. He got Taylor in the eyes a couple of times last year.

    165: I mean what can you say? Just an utterly dominant performance capping off a dominant tournament, capping off a dominant season. You kind of knew how this match was going to go when Taylor came out and ankle picked him off the whistle, and then once he got the back points the tech was basically sewn up. In terms of guys I'm most excited to see at the Trials next month, seeing Taylor mix it up in freestyle again against our guys at 74 kilos is going to be right up there on the list.

    174: After all the anticipation about this final, Ruth very nearly went out and stole the OW award from Taylor. I thought Amuchastegui was done when Ruth put him to his back with that cradle but to his credit he worked his way out. With news that Ruth is definitely going 184 next year that class is shaping up to be another bloodbath.

    184: Well executed match strategy by Bosak, and I thought he had the two at the end. Wright seemed like he was confident enough in his ability on top and bottom to where he wasn't really letting his offense go in the third period or into overtime.

    197: Some crazy lifts and slams early on by Honeycutt here but Simaz did what he's been doing to guys for years and just grinded him down.

    285: Great way to cap off the night for me as a fan. Spent pretty much the entirety of the weekend being amazed at just how strong Tony Nelson has to be. From the way he defended shots by just posting on guys heads and pressing his foot down almost effortlessly to just the insane amount of pressure he has to put on top to keep guys down. I'll be honest I didn't think there was going to be anyway he kept Rey down in the third period as big as he is, but then he did. Was worried that he was going to let it go to OT but to his credit he initiated action and it paid off for him with the winning TD. Super excited to watch him these next two years for the Gophers
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