One other thing about comparing the "double" of Brands from Va Tech and Sanderson from PSU. There are similarities qualititatively but not so much quantitatively--how's that for some old chemistry terms. Both got some big transfers, but Iowa got a lot more out of that. I don't remember all the guys that transferred to Iowa as sophomore eligibility, but I know they had: Metcalf, Slaton, Borschel (all NCAA champs or finalists) for 3 years, plus I think Erickson or another starter as well. I can't remember if Dennis was in that class or not.