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    dead horse?? On a wrestling message board?? Surely you jest!
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    Hey, even if the horse is dead, people still enjoy beating the carcass.

    Who hasn't poked a dead animal when they were a kid? (nobody raises hand)

    I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    Dead horse.
    I think the verdict is still out ... did Coach Manning and the University of Nebraska break the law in the manner in which they dismissed two young men from their program in August, 2008? Will there be groups urging the NCAA to reconsider Omaha and the University of Nebraska as the host in 2010 until the courts have decided if there was any wrongdoing? And, you know it is probably headed toward the courts, and you know it can happen at any time until August 2010.

    I also don't need to tell you ... a simple Google search would confirm ... this situation has received the attention of a powerful national lobbying group with a ton of money who believes that discrimination has occurred based on a bias against a 'website's targeted audience.'

    In my professional opinion, this is anything but a dead horse.
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    Which national lobbying group is that, and what do they have to do with this?
    This saber rattling may be great fun, but I urge you to contact the University of Nebraska directly with your concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grapplefan View Post
    I urge you to contact the University of Nebraska directly with your concerns.
    Surely, you jest.

    The University of Nebraska is well aware of the potentially illegal manner in which they dismissed the two young men, the legal consequences, and the outcry for justice in this situation. It appears they may have already taken disciplinary action against Mark Marnning to prevent this from happening again. And, I am sure their competent legal counsel is quite aware of the Statute of Limitations and has been proactive to minimize their legal exposure in this situation.

    I hope the young men involved along with their families have sought counsel to advise them on various options available to them, just as the Duke University athletes did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osubucks View Post
    Surely, you jest.

    The University of Nebraska is well aware of the potentially illegal manner in which their dismissed the two young men, the legal consequences, and the outcry for justice in this situation (1). They probably have already taken disciplinary action against Mark Marnning to prevent this from happening again (2). And, I am sure their competent legal counsel is quite aware of the Statute of Limitations and has been proactive to minimize their legal exposure in this situation.

    I hope the young men involved along with their families have sought counsel to advise them on various options available to them, just as the Duke University athletes did. (3)
    1) He was dismissed from the team and his scholarship was revoked because he broke NCAA rules- not Nebraska rules. You can't be paid while on scholarship... and what "outcry for justice" have you seen because I've yet to see much.

    2) Manning most certainly didn't receive any disciplinary action for following NCAA rules.

    3) This wasn't anything like the Duke situation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by osubucks View Post
    Surely, you jest.

    The University of Nebraska is well aware of the potentially illegal manner in which they dismissed the two young men, the legal consequences, and the outcry for justice in this situation. It appears they may have already taken disciplinary action against Mark Marnning to prevent this from happening again. And, I am sure their competent legal counsel is quite aware of the Statute of Limitations and has been proactive to minimize their legal exposure in this situation.

    I hope the young men involved along with their families have sought counsel to advise them on various options available to them, just as the Duke University athletes did.
    There is a bit of evidence and an admission in the Donoho case which didn't exist in the Duke situation. Also, a large part of the Duke player allegations reflected libel and slander by the university faculty and the school newspaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlottke View Post
    1) He was dismissed from the team and his scholarship was revoked because he broke NCAA rules- not Nebraska rules. You can't be paid while on scholarship... and what "outcry for justice" have you seen because I've yet to see much. 2) Manning most certainly didn't receive any disciplinary action for following NCAA rules.
    While I don't want to debate the website administrator, has the NCAA ruled that these young men violated a particular rule? If so, please enlighten us, when they made their decision and post a copy of their actual ruling in this situation. And, if Mr. Donahoe broke NCAA rules, then how was he allowed to wrestle again for another NCAA school after sitting out a semester due to transferrring? The whole world knows that Coach Manning alleged they broken a NCAA rule ... I want proof, please, of the actual determination that a NCAA rule was violated. Doesn't it make sense that the NCAA should dismiss an athlete base on a rule violation, rather than a wrestling coach based on his limited understanding of particular rule? And, shouldn't the NCAA be consulted before an athlete is dismissed based on its rules?

    In addition, NCAA does not prevent athletes on scholarships from working (see next posting) and earning a fair wage ... let's try to be as accurate with our facts as possible, please.

    Just as you would not want to be fired from your job because your boss simply got mad at you one day, there are established procedures in place within any university to handle a dismissal from a team in a fair and inpartial mannner. As Mr. Donahoe points out in the article you posted there are athletes there on scholarship that have actually broken the law - DUI arrests. How has the University handled that? Does the University immediately dismiss all athletes when a they think a NCAA rule may have been violated? Do they contact the NCAA before dismissing the athlete?

    Finally, I think if you would examine Coach Manning's public comments on day 1 and then on day 2 of the controversy, you will find that it is obvious more reasonable heads got involved.

    I firmly believe that Coach Manning violated federal privacy laws, acted in haste, and without proper consultation with NCAA & University officials, violating university policy, and enormously damaging the good name of two young men causing undue emotional and financial hardship.
    Last edited by osubucks; 04-10-2009 at 11:09 PM. Reason: another question asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlottke View Post
    1) You can't be paid while on scholarship
    3.17.09 According to Stephen Danley who played forward for Penn from 2003 to 2007 and is a Marshall Scholar at the University of Oxford ... Let’s get one thing straight. If this debate is merely about getting pocket money for student-athletes, the debate is over — that’s already happening.

    There are plenty of legal ways to get some change into the pockets of athletes. Athletes get a per diem on road trips and a stipend when they stick around during winter break. In the summer, any coach worth his salt can get players some cash for working camp or a posh job with a local alum. "

    Was Coach Manning 'not worth his salt' and unable to get his athletes some cash for working camp or a posh job with a local alum?"

    3.26.09 According to Ramogi Huma, President, National College Players Association, Norco, CA ... "full scholarship can leave college athletes with as much as $30,000 in expenses. NCPA released results of another significant study revealing the estimated shortfall between college athletes’ full scholarships and the actual cost of attendance at each Division I university. The NCPA asserts that, by and large, universities have been deceiving recruits, many of whom are under the age of 18 and from disadvantaged backgrounds, into unknowingly being responsible for paying thousands of dollars while on “full” athletic scholarship. “The fact is, coaches fill high school recruits’ heads with promises of free rides and full scholarships, when in fact no such things exist. The NCAA designs full scholarships to fall short of the advertised price tag of a school, leaving recruits scrambling to make ends meet,” stated Leo W. Gerard. NCAA rules prohibit universities from providing athletic scholarships that equal the cost of attendance. That means that a full scholarship athlete is expected to pay out of pocket for expenses that are not covered by a full scholarship. “It’s deceptive to call it a ‘full’ athletics scholarship when it doesn’t fully pay for a university’s estimated price tag. These same universities offer ‘full’ academic scholarships that do cover the price tag of a school. This appears to be a deliberate attempt at misleading young high school student-athletes, their parents, and current college athletes,” stated NCPA President Ramogi Huma.

    Did Coach Manning deliberately attempt to mislead Mr. Donahoe and his family from an economically disadvantaged family into believing his full scholarship covered all his expenses only to leave Mr. Donahoe four years later scrambling to pay an additional $30,000 in college expenses?
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