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    Default Re: Kyle Dake's Mat Returns

    He couldn't beat Howe last year in Freestyle but I am sure he was giving up some weight. Will be interesting to see if he stays at 163 the matches he will have with JB, Taylor, Howe etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    He couldn't beat Howe last year in Freestyle but I am sure he was giving up some weight. Will be interesting to see if he stays at 163 the matches he will have with JB, Taylor, Howe etc.
    Not to mention what could take place next year if all are at 165--Dake, Howe, Taylor. They should have a combined 5 NCAA championships by that point.

    Speaking of that. We've talked of the number of (mostly future) NCAA champs at 149 in 2008. I wonder what the most number of NCAA titles (among multiple entrants) there have been heading into an NCAA tourney at the same weight (i.e. they had already won their titles before the year in question)?

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    I believe one year Burroughs, Leen, and Gillespie were all in the same bracket, although that might have been the year that Burroughs won his first, meaning there were only two champs. Also Poeta was there

    I'm sure thats not the record though, there have to be some brackets with 3, maybe even four
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    I've never been a St.John fan until now . The kid has some serious stoneage to come back from getting majored by Pena to win the B1G , especially by outfunking welch . I'm pulling for him to win it all this year.
    If he does 163 will be a mean weight class over the summer .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    He couldn't beat Howe last year in Freestyle but I am sure he was giving up some weight. Will be interesting to see if he stays at 163 the matches he will have with JB, Taylor, Howe etc.
    That match was about as physical as can be expected. I thought that Dake was going to really get bullied around but he actually was able to stand his ground and give some of it back to Howe. I think that freestyle season was somewhat of the beginning of his physicality. Not that he wasn't always a physical wrestler, it just seemed that his intentions got a bit meaner then.

    I recall an interview with Howe on flo where he was asked about his physical style and he kind of grinned and said that's what he likes. I think Dake is pretty similar is this regard and both guys look like they want the other guy to give some back as well so they can turn it into their kind of match, similar to a "puncher" goading a "boxer" into a slugfest.

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    I believe that was Burrough's first as it was at 157. That was an absolute demolishing Burroughs put on Gillespie. Not sure I've ever seen a former champ get destroyed like that.

    Are you talking brackets with most returning champions at the time of the tournament or brackets with the most champions overall after everyone's career is over? You would have to think that the 149 bracket of 2008 holds the latter record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    I believe that was Burrough's first as it was at 157. That was an absolute demolishing Burroughs put on Gillespie. Not sure I've ever seen a former champ get destroyed like that.

    Are you talking brackets with most returning champions at the time of the tournament or brackets with the most champions overall after everyone's career is over? You would have to think that the 149 bracket of 2008 holds the latter record.
    The former. I was making a distinction of those already holding NCAA titles when they were together in a bracket (not the 2008 149 class in which almost all of the NCAA championships were future--Metcalfx2; Jenkins, Caldwell, Burroughs, O'Connor). I believe that Dustin Schlatter was the only prior NCAA champ at the time. I'm wondering about the most previously crowned NCAA championships among multiple entrants in the same weight class at NCAA's.

    Russ's example would from 2009 NCAA 157 would be 2--Gillespie & Leen (it would be Burrough's first, but he hadn't won it at the time of the tourney)

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