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    I think Wade graduating leaves a bigger hole than Molinaro [\quote]

    by about 100 pounds.
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    I think Wade graduating leaves a bigger hole than Molinaro [\quote]

    by about 100 pounds.
    More like 125 pounds. But you bring up an excellent point that I think was so far missed in the discussion!

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    I think Brown, Ruth, QW and Gingrich is a lot less intimidating then Ruth, QW, MM, Wade. Gophers will match up VERY well against that. Storley and Brown are a wash, Steinhaus I doubt gives up more than a dec EVER to Ruth and is also very strong, QW will have his hands full with Schiller at 197 and Nelson will teach a few lessons to the new heavyweight. I like our match ups down low at every weight but 125 and 157. We will be difficult team match up with Penn State once again.
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    So you're saying replacing the likely undefeated national champion with a (very good) redshirt sophomore will be a bit of a drop off? Really, you think so Dr.?
    Are you angry at me or something? Seems a bit aggressive here.

    I think Wade graduating leaves a bigger hole than Molinaro despite the fact that he isn't as good as Molinaro is. He doesn't have a replacement. I think Alton as a sophomore will be every bit as good as Molinaro was as a sophomore (this is key) with the possibility of hitting the level that Molinaro is at here in a couple of years.
    I disagree on Wade. Wade is still a borderline AA right now. Molinaro is, by far, the best kid in his weight. If Wade misses AA again this year, a real possibility, how many points will Penn State really be losing? I just don't think Alton as a soph compared to Molinaro as a soph is the real comparision. It's Alton as a soph to Molinaro as a senior, which is the drop off Penn State will be facing next year.

    Also, he might not be as much of a pinner up a weight. Even David Taylor has seen a lot of his Techs become Majors moving up a weight.
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    I'm looking at 149 and what's coming back next year and see Alton as a legit top 4, if not the best. If you believe that part of his problem at 141 as a true freshman was making the weight (and looking at his twin brother this year, I do), 149 might actually be a better weight class for him. I know I'll be looking forward to his matches with Ness, which could be wild affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I think Brown, Ruth, QW and Gingrich is a lot less intimidating then Ruth, QW, MM, Wade. Gophers will match up VERY well against that. Storley and Brown are a wash, Steinhaus I doubt gives up more than a dec EVER to Ruth and is also very strong, QW will have his hands full with Schiller at 197 and Nelson will teach a few lessons to the new heavyweight. I like our match ups down low at every weight but 125 and 157. We will be difficult team match up with Penn State once again.
    gofer--I fully agree that Minn gives PSU a difficult match-up. As much as the team improved this year, I wasn't sure that PSU would necessarily have beaten Minn in the Duals if they had been there. With PSU bonus points, Minn would have to win 6. You have to say Minn wins 125, 133, 141, 197 (they did just win there), Hwt. That means the match would come down to 184. Who knows who would win that? Since Steinhaus just won the B1G's you have to give him the edge. Minn could well have beaten PSU again.

    I hadn't thought about next year. Let's see:

    125--PSU
    133--Minn
    141--Minn
    149--PSU
    157--PSU
    165--PSU (Taylor)
    174--PSU (Brown)
    184--PSU (Ruth)
    197--PSU (Wright)
    Hwt--Minn

    I think PSU will stack up better next year than this year. I grant that not knowing for sure who we will have at 125--if it's not Megaludis, it's not clearly PSU. I also acknowledge that 149, 174, 197 could go the other way, but I wouldn't pick them that way. I think Minn needs to win 3 of 125, 149, 174, 197 to win it.

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    Anytime you bump up a weight, there are variables. If you are telling me that Megaludis, Alton, Ruth and QW are theoretically bumping up then I would reserve judgment until I see what they do up a weight but it doesn't always completely transfer up a weight.

    It will be a great match-up, add Iowa and Ohio State to the mix. I can hardly wait. Hoping Minnesota can pull a rabbit out of the hat at 125 and 157 next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Are you angry at me or something? Seems a bit aggressive here.
    Not at all, just having some fun being a little (semi-obnoxiously) sarcastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    I disagree on Wade. Wade is still a borderline AA right now. Molinaro is, by far, the best kid in his weight. If Wade misses AA again this year, a real possibility, how many points will Penn State really be losing? I just don't think Alton as a soph compared to Molinaro as a soph is the real comparision. It's Alton as a soph to Molinaro as a senior, which is the drop off Penn State will be facing next year.

    Also, he might not be as much of a pinner up a weight. Even David Taylor has seen a lot of his Techs become Majors moving up a weight.
    Maybe its just a function of me being really high on Alton's prospects coming into next year. I feel like with him missing All American at the end of the year and then redshirting this season people are kind of forgetting about just how good he is.

    With Molinaro and Parks both graduating we're going to come back with (I guess) Jason Chamberlain as the presumed favorite, other than that this weight is going to be wide open with tough young guys. In my mind Alton has as good a shot as anyone else.
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    Especially IF Grajales goes 141 .
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