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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    Or it could have simply been the same lineup they've been using when Magrum is injured. You know, the lineup they used to beat Iowa.

    You may be right, but I'm betting it had more to do with Magrum not being able to go.
    At what point does it help to bump up your back up 57 to wrestle a good 74, and then bump up your good 74 to wrestle a pretty good 84(and lose) They weren't winning the dual, so wrestle the matches. The only explanation is that they simply didn't want the match to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    At what point does it help to bump up back up 57 to wrestle a good 74, and then bump up your good 74 to wrestle a pretty good 84(and lose) They weren't winning the dual, so wrestle the matches. The only explanation is that they simply didn't want the match to happen.
    This is the lineup that beat Iowa. Heflin only lost by 1 correct? Not a bad move all together. That is why Ryan gets paid the big bucks and not you and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    At what point does it help to bump up your back up 57 to wrestle a good 74, and then bump up your good 74 to wrestle a pretty good 84(and lose) They weren't winning the dual, so wrestle the matches. The only explanation is that they simply didn't want the match to happen.
    In Ohio State's defense, the strategy made sense in the terms of winning this dual. Grandominico (sp?) held Lofthouse to a DEC and Heflin beat Wagner who beat McNeil. That said, I think Ryan did his wrestler a disservice. He woulc have been well served to get a look at Perry before NCAA's. If he runs into Perry there, he will now be less prepared for Perry's unique style.
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    I agree with Zap, you are doing your wrestler a disservice not giving them the opportunity to wrestle those in thier weight class so close to NCAA's. I perfer to think it is protecting your spot. I have another question and that is why is tOSU doing so much wrestling on thier knees? One would think when you take a knee during the match you are stalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    In Ohio State's defense, the strategy made sense in the terms of winning this dual. Grandominico (sp?) held Lofthouse to a DEC and Heflin beat Wagner who beat McNeil. That said, I think Ryan did his wrestler a disservice. He woulc have been well served to get a look at Perry before NCAA's. If he runs into Perry there, he will now be less prepared for Perry's unique style.
    So at best it was a 50/50 proposition theyd benefit teamwise from the move. Additionally as you point put they wont have had a look at perry and valuable mat time against a good wrestler they could see at ncaas. Just cant see how this helps Tosu in any way.
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    Wasn't the alternative to forfeit at 184? It would have meant seeing a match everyone was looking forward to, but one fewer matches overall. Forfeits in duals suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Wasn't the alternative to forfeit at 184? It would have meant seeing a match everyone was looking forward to, but one fewer matches overall. Forfeits in duals suck.
    Yes, this was the alternative unless you want to bump up Grandominico.

    Grandominico listed as below on tOSU website in the Roster section

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    So at best it was a 50/50 proposition theyd benefit teamwise from the move. Additionally as you point put they wont have had a look at perry and valuable mat time against a good wrestler they could see at ncaas. Just cant see how this helps Tosu in any way.
    No, it did help the team score.

    Let's say Heflin had went 174: Perry dec. Heflin, McNeil collects a forfeit. Okie St 9, Ohio St 0.

    Since Heflin went 184: Perry maj Grandominico, McNeil dec Heflin. Okie St 7, Ohio St 0.


    Plus they probably assumed Heflin would beat McNeil, in which case the score would have been: Okie St 4, Ohio St 3.



    Nonetheless, I don't like that Ryan does this either. Let them wrestle the guys in their weight class.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Wasn't the alternative to forfeit at 184? It would have meant seeing a match everyone was looking forward to, but one fewer matches overall. Forfeits in duals suck.
    It created two completely meaningless matches.

    Grandomonico v. anyone is meaningless, and Heflin up a weight is meaningless. We could have had at least one meaningful match.
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