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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I just think Cael likes being in the limelight a bit is all. I don't think he has the proper perspective is all. I have three boys, I would have no hesitancy to send them to Cael to become elite wrestlers, but I DO worry about the sport.
    gofer--I enjoy reading your posts and getting your perspective. You add a lot to this board. But I don't think you have Cael pegged very well. From all I've seen and heard, Cael does not like the limelight. I'm sure that he (as all coaches) is concerned about what's good for his team. But PSU's non-participation in Natl Duals is not JUST about that. There are other issues (cited elsewhere) involved that are related to his view of what will truly help the sport. There's a legitimate difference of opinion about how to move wrestling forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I just think Cael likes being in the limelight a bit is all. I don't think he has the proper perspective is all. I have three boys, I would have no hesitancy to send them to Cael to become elite wrestlers, but I DO worry about the sport.
    He likes the limelight so much that hes removing his team from a national tournament which would provide his team more
    Publicity than probably any tourney outside of b1G or ncaas? A tournament i also think that PSU would win. That doesnt suggest that his motives are "limelight" oriented, to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    You are all stupid. Wresting doesn't gather fans because every tournament sticks to the same mold. Make it fun for people other than us and we will expand the sport. Sticking with the same format just brings the same fans. Think outside the box
    Quinn--I think you're still pushing your proposal because if it's accepted you get free airfare and expenses!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    You mean the Ben Jordan who is the only one to defeat Andrew Sorenson this year.

    You can't penalize a wrestler for his coaches beliefs in my opinion but if they make this a one weekend tournament next year and get it after the holidays and invite Top 16 we best see Cael and Tommy there. It's a solid format and to me a whole lot more substantial then Midlands or SS.
    I like that proposal. I have no inside information, but I'd be surprised if PSU didn't participate in that. In fact I'd be very surprised!

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    There are Leaders like J Robinson and Mike Manning ("we know it is not the best for our teams but it is the best for wrestling") and then there are these:

    "A lot of details need be ironed out before we jump into it, said Cael."
    "I think that it's going to be a great success and we look forward to being involved if we are invited in the upcoming years (Pariano)."
    "I think it's a great concept, a great idea," said Santoro. "I just want to see how it plays out for a couple years."

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    There is nothing wrong with keeping your team from the National Duals. Its the coaches decision plain and simple. The NCAA should pick this up and make it sanctioned and that would change the entire game as far as a National Dual Team Championship is concerned.

    But, the topic of this thread is what we are talking about. It once again shows the double standard that Iowa has to adhere to. Not that the Iowa fans care or the coaches, but there should be outrage that State Penn is not going to National Duals this year. Iowa and Brands had to listen to it from fans, and other coaches all last year and continue to get ridiculed for what others perceive as their actions on the mat. All of this is crap.......As far as im concerned, the State Penn Head Coaches actions over his career have spoken volumes and they are not positive. Still waiting for Kolls outrage about State Penn not attending.

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    I think Koll is insubstantial because his team wasn't going to win it this year. I think Cael and Toms teams missing takes away from the legitimacy of the tournament is all and is my biggest issue. By saying things like "I don't like the format" and "I want to see how it develops the next couple years" reminds me of the Stone Soup fable where no one has any food to share one person brings a stone and drops it in the water, then another a carrot, then celery. When of course it's ALL done, then everyone wants in on the stew. Penn State this year was the beef in the beef stew and last year it was Iowa. It's an unfinished product without them there.

    As far as criticism, I think it's fair to criticize if we are specifics with the criticism. Iowa gets more than their fair share, it's true but in a way it's legitimizing their program and their history. It's a tribute of sorts.
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    Until it is formalized and becomes the official, real thing, it is purely a voluntary event. Let's remember also that teams are not required to go to conference tournaments or the NCAA tourney at the end of the year. Of course, teams want to go, but I'm not sure teams would complain so much. J Rob might just say thanks for bumping my team up one spot.

    The format thing is not trivial as some are suggesting.
    The organizers need to commit up front where the rounds will be (and I agree, a single weekend event would be best. Maybe a match Friday evening, a couple on Saturday and one or two Sunday?
    The cost of the 2-weekend format is formidable (I'd expect around $75k for both weekends, depending on distance). Keep in mind that there might be one wrestling team in the country that breaks even. The rest lose money, and this format will be an even bigger loss.
    What happens on the second weekend to the teams that don't make it out of the region? Are they stuck with an open weekend?

    I'd prefer a single-weekend event. The teams are announced in late December and the event is in January. The Virginia Duals are the same weekend (just like before). That way, the top 40 or so teams know they will go to one or the other that weekend. Think NCAA and NIT tournaments....

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    Default Re: Cael, Penn State Take Unfair Criticism for Decision (from InterMat, Andrew Hipps)

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    Until it is formalized and becomes the official, real thing, it is purely a voluntary event. Let's remember also that teams are not required to go to conference tournaments or the NCAA tourney at the end of the year. Of course, teams want to go, but I'm not sure teams would complain so much. J Rob might just say thanks for bumping my team up one spot.
    I'm sure JRob would not thank PSU for skipping the NCAA tourney. Honestly, where does that come from?

    If that were true, why would he be displeased that they are skipping National Duals?


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