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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Just as an FYI on the Ness situation, the hands don't have to be touching to be considered a full nelson I don't believe.
    No they don't. Just have to both be touching the head at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    I actually don't think Gambrall stunk up the place. That honor belonged to Ethen Lofthouse.
    You are gonna lose the HOMER vote with comments like this.

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    125
    Nice seeding dilemma
    Nico > Mele > Delgado > McD > Sanders > Nico
    McD put himself back on top
    Barring brain hemmorage no one should touch him the rest of the year

    133
    So is Thorn officially done for the year?

    141
    Marion needs to find his offense again if the Hawkeyes expect to make a run at the title

    149
    Kelly made me look good for about 4 minutes
    Ness showed his potential
    I can appreciate JensenS stress

    157
    Gopher fans wondering about the could-have-beens with Deitchler

    165
    Should take a poll on this match
    was it
    Evans was awesome?
    or
    Yohn was pathetic?

    174
    Did Storely secure the B1G 2nd seed? I think so.

    184 & 197
    Iowa obviously will be better with GG back here
    I guess the 197 experiment has admittedly failed.
    Will Wagner go up or Lira?

    285
    Raising literally landed on Nelson in crunched last year at the B1gs. Nelson seemed to have completely forgotten about having a 285 man drive him into the mat. Gohper fans could complain about not ggetting the pin but getting a solid win over a guy who beat you convincingly before is a step up & that is all you want at this time of year heading into March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    125
    Nice seeding dilemma
    Nico > Mele > Delgado > McD > Sanders > Nico
    McD put himself back on top
    Barring brain hemmorage no one should touch him the rest of the year

    Not really a dilemma, McD 1 Sanders 2, they've earned those.

    133
    So is Thorn officially done for the year?

    Who cares CD is the real deal and I'm betting much like Ness no one will want to see him on their side during B1Gs and NCAAs and it's nice to know we have MT waiting in the wings.

    141
    Marion needs to find his offense again if the Hawkeyes expect to make a run at the title.

    Funny to think that ND was the higher rated of the bros coming out of HS. Nick still looks pretty good and is making some frosh mistakes but he's got a bright future. Yeah Marion he's Iowa's version of Sonny Yohn. I can win so why try.

    149
    Kelly made me look good for about 4 minutes
    Ness showed his potential
    I can appreciate JensenS stress

    Ness gives everyone a heart attack nearly every match but you gotta admit it's fun to watch. Again, I'm betting most folks are like please let him be on the other side cause you just never know, good or bad, with his funk. Better than a Yawn snoozefest anyday and worth the price of admission alone.

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    Gopher fans wondering about the could-have-beens with Deitchler

    Sad but true. Now we need to get Z back, but even then not sure he's the long-term answer. We need to sign guy ready to wrestle as a true frosh, ala Storley.
    Should take a poll on this match
    was it
    Evans was awesome?
    or
    Yohn was pathetic?

    A little of both I think Evans is better than people have given him credit for and well Yohn he just sucks right now. Bad competition Yohn looks good. Good competition he looks well like Yawn.

    174
    Did Storely secure the B1G 2nd seed? I think so.

    Storley is the real deal. We need another version of him next year at 157 and 165.

    184 & 197
    Iowa obviously will be better with GG back here
    I guess the 197 experiment has admittedly failed.
    Will Wagner go up or Lira?

    Steinhaus is the man a little more consistancy and he wins a couple titles. Yohn is boring but for the most part he wins every match he's expected to win and loses every match he's expected to lose. Steady as she goes but boring but a win is a win. I'd take nothing but 3-2 decisions all the way to a national title but I just don't see that I see top 5-6 here and a 3x AA nothing to snooze at but you have to wonder...what if he exerted a little more effort would it be top 2.

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    Raising literally landed on Nelson in crunched last year at the B1gs. Nelson seemed to have completely forgotten about having a 285 man drive him into the mat. Gohper fans could complain about not ggetting the pin but getting a solid win over a guy who beat you convincingly before is a step up & that is all you want at this time of year heading into March.
    Nelson is going to be a force for the next 2.5 years. I can see a title his Junior or Senior season if he continues to develop as he has.

    The NCAA selection committee just screwed the Gophers on seeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Just as an FYI on the Ness situation, the hands don't have to be touching to be considered a full nelson I don't believe.
    I'd have to rewatch it, but live it looked like he had a half on the left side and then he had the right wrist.

    No where remotely close to a full.
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    Sanders- He has ridden everyone all season except McD. He has escaped all season except McD. He's been a td machine all season except against McD. I thought this was Sanders year, but he has to hope someone else upsets McD.

    Dardanes- Glad Minny has them.

    Ness- He is the Second Coming.

    Cody Yohn- Not everyone is a McD freak of nature. Here is my Guillotine post:

    "Everybody is ragging on Cody for getting pinned. It's time for people to start looking at the big picture.

    As a freshman Cody came to the U as a 174 lber and still growing. He wrestled one match at 184 and started out 16-6 at 174 until the coaches said he needed to make the cut to 165 for the good of the team. He then went 7-10 at 165.

    The next year again the coaches asked him to cut for the good of the team. He started out strong at 19-4 until the weight cut again took its toll and he went 9-9 the rest of the way.

    This year he is asked once again to be the 165 lber and again the massive weight cut has taken its toll. He starts out strong 11-2, majoring Bailey (16th),beating Peppleman, Ottinger (22), Sulzer (19), and battling Sorenson (4) in a close loss before the inevitable fade begins as the grind of the season wears him down to nothing.

    Anyone who has cut too much weight in their career knows what is happening here. The sad truth is that the Gophers have not had a 165 lber in the room for the last four years. Cody his sacrificing his career for the good of the team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    I'd have to rewatch it, but live it looked like he had a half on the left side and then he had the right wrist.

    No where remotely close to a full.
    At first I thought it was a bad call, especially since I didn't really know about the "hands don't have to be touching" rule. On reqatching and knowing that nuance to the rule, I do think that both hands were on the back hand for a brief period. It's hard to see from our angle, though. Either way, even if it's just for a second, it's a technical violation, just like locking hands if you're not returning them to the mat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammen View Post
    Sanders- He has ridden everyone all season except McD. He has escaped all season except McD. He's been a td machine all season except against McD. I thought this was Sanders year, but he has to hope someone else upsets McD.

    Dardanes- Glad Minny has them.

    Ness- He is the Second Coming.

    Cody Yohn- Not everyone is a McD freak of nature. Here is my Guillotine post:

    "Everybody is ragging on Cody for getting pinned. It's time for people to start looking at the big picture.

    As a freshman Cody came to the U as a 174 lber and still growing. He wrestled one match at 184 and started out 16-6 at 174 until the coaches said he needed to make the cut to 165 for the good of the team. He then went 7-10 at 165.

    The next year again the coaches asked him to cut for the good of the team. He started out strong at 19-4 until the weight cut again took its toll and he went 9-9 the rest of the way.

    This year he is asked once again to be the 165 lber and again the massive weight cut has taken its toll. He starts out strong 11-2, majoring Bailey (16th),beating Peppleman, Ottinger (22), Sulzer (19), and battling Sorenson (4) in a close loss before the inevitable fade begins as the grind of the season wears him down to nothing.

    Anyone who has cut too much weight in their career knows what is happening here. The sad truth is that the Gophers have not had a 165 lber in the room for the last four years. Cody his sacrificing his career for the good of the team."

    That makes no sense. He'd theoretically have a tougher cut early on and like every other wrestler in the world, either the situation would improve or it wouldn't but that he has early season success followed up by late season struggles doesn't make much sense to me logically. Just so you know, anyone that has ever wrestled or had a child wrestle understands and empathizes with this situation. I furthermore don't think Minnesota has ever told a kid to go to a weight they don't think they can have success at? We don't have ridiculous weight cutters on this squad. If he was good enough to go up and hold down 174 I think Minny would have let him compete there. Ortiz had been at 165 before and JD at 157 and Storley could have saved his redshirt.

    I'm not bashing the kid. He looked I'll to me or like he had hit his head hard either Sunday or perhaps Friday.
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    Default Re: Iowa 19 Minnesota 17: Post Dual Thoughts

    I actually created a POLL here about 165 Evans vs Yohn

    POLL: Was Evans Awesome? Did Yohn Suck?

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