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    I originally put this in the PSU/Iowa thread but it's probably better suited to its own.

    http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage...ght-Penn-State
    Proposed rule change: when you throw someone feet-to-back, you score a takedown. Period. Doesn't matter if they get back to their feet afterwards. The rules should encourage the big throw, not discourage it.

    Thoughts?

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    In general, I like it. I think it opens the door for some more subjective calls from the ref (as it does in freestyle) about who initiated the throw, etc.

    But I love me a good throw!

    Maybe another option is require them to maintain control, but to award 3 points for the throw if the back is exposed at all.

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    Yes, freestyle/greco throws can be hard to score. I'm not saying folkstyle should adopt the exposure rules (not in this thread, anyway ). In the video clip I liked to Wright makes a beautiful feet-to-pinning-position throw, the other guy bridges out, and zero points are awarded. To me that's just wrong. If I understand folkstyle rules correctly, you can score a TD if you put your opponent in a tripod position (hands touching mat), even if it's only for a short amount of time. Why shouldn't you get the same points for putting someone on their back (which demonstrates a lot more control IMO).

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    I understand what you're saying, but the link you provided didn't look like a score to me. Now I say that with a folkstyle mentality. You have explained and have been very patient while explaining freestyle rules to me and I do appreciate that. However, folkstyle rules in general award points for control. While the throw in the link provided looked cool, there was no control. I like the need for control to score points. It gives the defensive wrestler a chance to scramble and guys like Ben Askren depended on that. The scrambles are my favorite part of folkstyle wrestling. But, that's just me.

    As far as giving points for the tripod position, that is only done when the aggressive wrestler is behind his opponet which displays control. I could be the only person who thinks this way, but.......I think folkstyle wrestling is one of the best forms of self defense because of the need to control your opponet. I don't know if that is why it is scored the way it is, but I like to think that that's why.

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    Ness-Tessari was the most exciting match of the year that I've seen. Both of these guys are big throwers. We need to encourage this kind of wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammen View Post
    Ness-Tessari was the most exciting match of the year that I've seen. Both of these guys are big throwers. We need to encourage this kind of wrestling.
    Did you see the Tessari vs Ian Miller match? That's what I love about Cam, he is out to have fun and excite the crowd.

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    The refs still can't get the stall calls correct-this might make them blow a gasket . Might work if implemented slowly.
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    Quinn, I understand why it was no points. I'm saying I don't like the rule. If I get folkstyle scoring correctly (and I might not), if you have someone in a tripod for 1 second(ish) that's long enough to score. Wright had his opponent in a worse positon (on his back) for aboud that long, I think the rules should be changed to award points. Like Jammen said, let's encourage these guys to throw.

    A similar situation- in this one it's points? Terry Steiner vs Troy Sunderland - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Like Jammen said, let's encourage these guys to throw.
    I am all for throws, but I also like the fact that you need control in folkstyle. And I agree with Payton, the refs would be all confused. I think folkstylers could get back to more basic strategies of wrestling like throws and pins instead of tilts, but like every other sport, it has its style of the day. Just keep watching, in a few years wrestling will return to throws and pins. It all comes and goes like fashion styles. Actually, I am seeing more throw attempts in HS now. I don't know if MMA training, like Judo, has anything to do with it or not, but I see more now than I did just a few short years ago. Those kids will be in college pretty soon.

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