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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Yes, freestyle/greco throws can be hard to score. I'm not saying folkstyle should adopt the exposure rules (not in this thread, anyway ). In the video clip I liked to Wright makes a beautiful feet-to-pinning-position throw, the other guy bridges out, and zero points are awarded. To me that's just wrong. If I understand folkstyle rules correctly, you can score a TD if you put your opponent in a tripod position (hands touching mat), even if it's only for a short amount of time. Why shouldn't you get the same points for putting someone on their back (which demonstrates a lot more control IMO).
    I agree completely. I also think that they need to change the tripod rule to the same criteria as freestyle. You should have to force your opponent to place at least one knee on the mat to be awarded control and a takedown.

    The throw rule currently requires a two nearfall count, to secure the takedown. It seems a bit odd that barely having two ankles, with one toe inbounds constitutes a takedown, but taking someone from their feet to their back doesn't w/o the two count nearfall. So, the rules in effect encourage attacking on the edge of the mat, since the criteria for control are much lower, but they also discourage throwing, since the rules for control are insanely higher.

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    Exactly. What I was trying to say, but much better.

    In a freestyle match, where they give out takedown points like candy, grabbing two ankles doesn`t mean a whole lot. In folkstlye, this seems to be a takedown, while putting your opponent in a pinning position is often no points. Odd.

    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    I agree completely. I also think that they need to change the tripod rule to the same criteria as freestyle. You should have to force your opponent to place at least one knee on the mat to be awarded control and a takedown.

    The throw rule currently requires a two nearfall count, to secure the takedown. It seems a bit odd that barely having two ankles, with one toe inbounds constitutes a takedown, but taking someone from their feet to their back doesn't w/o the two count nearfall. So, the rules in effect encourage attacking on the edge of the mat, since the criteria for control are much lower, but they also discourage throwing, since the rules for control are insanely higher.

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    If I were reffing that match in freestyle i'd give Wright 3-2 for feet to back and 1 style point.
    According to the new rules if a guy is working the edge and backs out of bounds to avoid a TD THAT is a stall point . Out of the 100 or so matches I've seen this year I've seen it called one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    According to the new rules if a guy is working the edge and backs out of bounds to avoid a TD THAT is a stall point . Out of the 100 or so matches I've seen this year I've seen it called one time.
    I saw it like 3 times at the beginning of the season, including one that i thought was really questionable (If I remember right, Sherlock got an escape near the edge, backed up one step to avoid a shot, and got nailed). Since then, I have not seen it at all even when I thought it should have been called even by last year's rules.

    Are they still enforcing the new rule, or did they decide to drop it?

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    Wright never had control. Bottom line. It's no different than the bottom man switching around the then being reswitched. the motion is continual and unless there is clear control then the TD/Reversal shouldn't be rewarded.

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