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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    I think you're underselling Ramos and his performance against Oliver. Ramos was in deep more than Oliver was. Oliver got 0 takedowns, and only threatened once, in the 1st period. Ramos was in deep 3 times, finished once and very nearly finished the second time. It's not like Ramos was tying Oliver up and slowing him down. They were both working in space and in tight, and Ramos was shooting. He was just the better wrestler, at least that day. That said, I'm picking Oliver to repeat in the end. I haven't seen any reason to pick Stieber definitively over Ramos yet (or the other way around, to be fair), but it seems like most people are pretty much assuming Stieber > Ramos.
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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    I couldn't have said it better Zapp. I still think Oliver is the guy at 33 but people shouldn't forget about Ramos. To me it looks like he is wrestling smarter and picking his shots better. His finishes as of late have been razor sharp and I think this is where he made the biggest improvement during the off season.
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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    Maybe I worded the point that I'm trying to get across wrong.

    Ramos wrestled a great match against Oliver, and was the better guy that night. In my mind though if he wants to beat Oliver again he basically needs to have that exact same match happen which obviously isn't a guarantee.
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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    I don't disagree that Oliver is the man to beat at 33. I think all we are saying is Ramos is getting overlooked a bit by some. It seems as though Steiber and Ramos don't even need to wrestle because Ramos already lost. I agree that Ramos will have to wrestle a similar match if facing Oliver again which I hope he can do. Ramos just seems to wrestle with more focus and confidence than I have ever seen him have.

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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    Good calls overall (other than Devin Carter being a bit low), but concerning Futrell: "Came back in a big way recently with a super solid performance at Midlands where he finished 3rd recording wins over Mango and Clark. He's got other wins this year over Quiroga and Stevens."

    Being the ever present homer that I am, Futrell also majored Joe Colon 10-1 at Midlands. Colon later finished 7th at Midlands.
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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    I'm a VT fan and I don't know how you can call Devin Carter even low. I think 4 is where he'll wind up best case to be honest.
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    Default Re: 2012 Mid Season All American Predictions: 133 Posted

    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    I'm a VT fan and I don't know how you can call Devin Carter even low. I think 4 is where he'll wind up best case to be honest.
    If he gets Ramos in the consi finals, he could win that match to get 3rd. Physically it's a good match up for Carter. Heck, he could get Ramos in a semifinal depending on how the results shake out, and make the Finals. Ramos is the only guy I think he can beat out of the top 3, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    If he gets Ramos in the consi finals, he could win that match to get 3rd. Physically it's a good match up for Carter. Heck, he could get Ramos in a semifinal depending on how the results shake out, and make the Finals. Ramos is the only guy I think he can beat out of the top 3, though.
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