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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Not bad.
    It won't last long.

    With what I have down, I don't have a set of picks that I actually like from top to bottom until (oddly) 184.

    125 is one of the only weights right now that makes sense in my mind.
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    I see Megaludis making it to the top6, but not sure who to move out from Jensen's list. Maybe Patterson...

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    Shamefully I have to admit I traded Delgado and THINK he is better than a 6, I'm saying 4 but with the way he went up on Sanders and after his win against McD I could see him putting together a crazy semi final match and making the finals. I just don't see Delgado as a guy who can beat 2 or 3 Top guys in a row which is what is required at the big dance.

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    Delgado could certainly rise higher, he's got a win over Mcd (don't think he'll be able to duplicate that though) and really took it to Sanders for the 1st period of their match. He is a major talent, just needs to be more consistent, and I think his gas tank needs a bit of work. I didn't see the match but it seemed like he gassed pretty bad against Garnett at Midlands.
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    I see Mele from NWU in the round of 12 and maybe higher.
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    Morrison gets dropped at the last second from 8th then doesn't even make the round of 12, it already is looking bad for me and the cowboys haha.
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    I'd take out Mega too honestly. Gosh these are absolute crap. Only 10% done too..clowns..
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    Second weight in, this weight made a lot more sense two weeks ago.

    133

    Summer
    1. Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    2. Andrew Long (Penn State)
    3. Tyler Graff (Wisconsin)
    4. Logan Stieber (Ohio State)
    5. Scott Sentes (Central Michigan)
    6. Tony Ramos (Iowa)
    7. BJ Futrell (Illinois)
    8. Devin Carter (Virginia Tech)
    R12. David Thorn (Minnesota), Cashe Quiroga (Purdue), Flint Ray (Utah Valley), Garrett Drucker (Oregon State)

    Pre Season
    1. Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    2. Logan Stieber (Ohio State)
    3. Tony Ramos (Iowa)
    4. BJ Futrell (Illinois)
    5. Devin Carter (Virginia Tech)
    6. Ryan Mango (Stanford)
    7. Garrett Drucker (Oregon State)
    8. Cashe Quiroga (Purdue)
    R12. David Thorn (Minnesota), Joe Stanzione (Cornell), Zac Stevens (Michigan), AJ Schopp (Edinboro)

    Mid Season
    1. Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    2. Logan Stieber (Ohio State)
    3. Tony Ramos (Iowa)
    4. Devin Carter (Virginia Tech)
    5. BJ Futrell (Illinois)
    6. Chris Dardanes (Minnesota)
    7. AJ Schopp (Edinboro)
    8. Ryan Mango (Stanford)
    R12. Nick Soto (Tennessee-Chattanooga), Joe Colon (Northern Iowa), Steven Keith (Harvard), Garrett Drucker (Oregon State)

    Despite the fact that he dropped the match to Ramos in the Iowa dual, I still think Oliver is the best guy here at this weight class. Before losing he seemed like he was on his way to possibly running away with the Hodge Trophy as he was seemingly unable to make it out of the first period, he was pinning guys too fast. Save for his 8-7 win against Futrell at the All Star match his motor on his feet has been just as good as it was during his national title season last year, and then he's just been killing guys from top with his crossface cradle. Other than the win over Futrell he's got two pins over Zach Zehner and then another pin over David Thorn. He seemed like he gave Ramos a lot of respect in their match. I think when they meet up again he comes out harder and is able to grab a takedown in the first period. Given his advantage over Ramos in the mat wrestling department I think he gets that first period TD and takes Ramos out of the match.

    I wondered coming into the year if Stieber would spend any time under the radar at all, the answer based off how he wrestled during the early part of the year wound up being a pretty definitive no. He's been tough against guys wrestling from his feet, but where he's really shined is on top. He's been tormenting people with his bar and half series. He can run the half with the bar, keep the bar and work to stack, or he'll let the half go and take a claw and jump and tilt. So far this year he's got pins over Quiroga, and Keith. He's got another major over Quiroga and a major over Stevens. Then he has other wins over Carter and Schopp. Has a huge match coming up this week that could very well determine the #1 seed at Big 10's against Ramos. I think his ability on top gives him an advantage that wins him the match.

    I'll give the Iowa fans credit for making the claim early on in the season that Ramos would be right there with Oliver, and then sticking with it up to the dual when it wound up paying off for them. Ramos wrestled a great match there, and he's been wrestling great so far this season. The reason why I have him here rather than up at least on spot, or even on top of the heap here is because I think the type of match he wrestled against Oliver is really the only way he wins that match. Next time they wrestle if Oliver gets on the board in the first period I don't see how Ramos can win given how Oliver was able to keep him down on the mat once he got on top. Other than the win over Oliver he's got a pair of wins over Futrell, and then a pair of wins over Clark. Like I noted above he's got an absolutely massive match against Stieber this week. Will be interested to see if he uses the same style that he used to beat Long last year and Oliver this year looking to slow it down, or if he comes out trying to set a higher pace.

    Would love to be able to justify moving Carter up a few spots on this list, and given his current #1 ranking I may even be selling him short a little bit. Still very similar stylistically to the guy he was last year. Still super aggressive from his feet, but not quite as wild with his stuff. He's done a better job so far this year of not giving up as many points. Huge performance at Midlands beating Mango in the quarters, majoring Schopp in the semi's, and then winning a straight up battle with Ramos in the finals. There were some people doubting his chances coming into that tournament, I expected him to be in the finals but I didn't expect him to beat Ramos. Did a great job dealing with Ramos' hand fighting on the feet and finding his points where he could get them. Will be interesting to see who he runs into at National Duals, the one question about him in my mind will be how he deals with Oliver and Stieber who are just as good as he is from the feet and have the ability to keep him on the mat.

    Other than a rough patch during the beginning part of December, Futrell has come out this year and put up another really solid season. Wrestled Oliver really tough in the All Star match despite losing there. Got majored by Ramos in a dual, and then dropped another match soon after to Soto. Given how Soto has been wrestling in retrospect that loss doesn't look quite as bad. Came back in a big way recently with a super solid performance at Midlands where he finished 3rd recording wins over Mango and Clark. He's got other wins this year over Quiroga and Stevens.

    Even when David Thorn was holding down this spot for the Gophers I thought they had an All American here at this weight, but since Dardanes has "Ramos'd" his way into the line up he's the guy that I have in here right now. When I say "Ramos'd" I mean he just kind of worked his way into the line up not by beating the starter in a ranking match but by just performing against everyone else. He won the Southern Scuffle with a win in the finals over Soto who had beaten Thorn earlier in the tournament. Then he had his marquee win of the year when he knocked off Stieber with a late takedown. Then yesterday he beat Quiroga. His success in my mind has been super cool given that he's always kind of been the lesser regarded one between him and his brother, and the fact that he didn't wrestle last year.

    Before Dardanes got into the line up for Minnesota, Schopp had really emerged as the surprise guy here at this weight class. He's solid on his feet, but then he's just a holy terror on top. He's got a fall over Keith, a tech over Zehner, and then other wins over Stevens and Mango. Was a finalist out in Las Vegas and showed some heart in the finals out there fighting off his back against Stieber for over a minute in the first period before going down 10-5. Was a sleeper candidate for some people to make the finals at Midlands but wound up getting worked by Carter. Doesn't have much left on his schedule but his ability on top will always play well in a tournament format.

    Given that he's lost kind of early in his two prominent competitions people probably think Ryan Mango is having a worse season than he actually is here at 133. Doesn't have the size advantage here at this weight class that he did at 125 but I don't really think his losses are attributable to that. Stylistically he was never really a guy who relied on his size to win. So far this year he's got a fall over Keith, a major over Soto, and a win over Drucker. Has another match on his schedule left against Drucker and then that's about it in terms of tough matches for him before Pac12's (Drucker again) and NCAA's. Assuming he runs the table he should be in line for a pretty solid seed at NCAA's which will definitely help at this weight.
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    I pretty much agree with all that but I can see Dardanes slipping a bit after being scouted and the "freshman wall" - see him R12 or maybe 7/8. Plus it's gotta be a tough cut for him, but that's total speculation.

    I'm sure you knew this but this quote:

    "the one question about him in my mind will be how he deals with Oliver and Stieber who are just as good as he is from the feet and have the ability to keep him on the mat"

    Steiber beat Carter handily this year and handily in high school as well. He definitely has Carter's number...

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