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    I was kinda looking at d1 starters and aa's. MO, for instance had Dom, Mango, and Z Bailey aa. That also had Waters, K Bradley, Haynes, M Lester, Friedley as NCAA qualifiers. With a few other starters as well on some teams. I know that's just last year, but results have been similar in the last few years. Wiscy has had top stars like the Askrens, Kole Conrad, M Pell, and Brandvold lately. Also, I'll admit that KS has has more quality college wrestler than I thought. Caldwell, the McCormicks, K Maple, & Erisman. This is with top of my head research with sketchy memory. Plus I'm already 4 deep. Appreciate Steve for not slamming me though

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    It Should be noted. That's 4 deep with tall boys

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    I'd look at College D-1 All American's from this past year. Anyone have the breakdown?

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    Here is the breakdown from 2010.

    By home state: Pennsylvania can claim 8 native All-Americans... Iowa, New York and New Jersey each have 7... Idaho, California, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan each have 4... Ohio, 3... Oklahoma, Arizona, Maryland, Missouri, Oregon, Utah, Wisconsin each have 2.. Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Nebraska, Nevada, and Virginia each have one... and one from Moscow, Russia.

    According to this Ohio is #11.

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    2011 All-Americans by Home State

    1. Pennsylvania 10
    2. (Tie) Iowa 6
    New Jersey 6
    4. (Tie) California 5
    Michigan 5
    Minnesota 5
    7. (Tie) Colorado 4
    Ohio 4
    Oregon 4
    Utah 4
    11. (Tie) Illinois 3
    Missouri 3
    New York 3

    Ohio is 8th in 2011

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    Daisy, don't those numbers just prove that Iowa has the best wrestlers of any state? I mean you give us as many people as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, New York, Michigan or Minnesota and we would dwarf everyone else in number of aa's.

    Pennsylvania has 12,734,905 people and ten aa's last year. Iowa has 3,053,787 people and six aa's. PA's population is about 4Xs that of Iowa's. If Iowa's state population was that of Pennsylvania we would have 24 aa's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    Daisy, don't those numbers just prove that Iowa has the best wrestlers of any state? I mean you give us as many people as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, New York, Michigan or Minnesota and we would dwarf everyone else in number of aa's.

    Pennsylvania has 12,734,905 people and ten aa's last year. Iowa has 3,053,787 people and six aa's. PA's population is about 4Xs that of Iowa's. If Iowa's state population was that of Pennsylvania we would have 24 aa's.
    You are assuming that all the extra people will be wrestlers. It is my understanding that the extra people will more than likely just be farmers and "big corn-fed midwestern hoes". (Sorry. I busted Kid Rock on you).

    But honestly, Ohio is a much better wrestling state than 11. You can't go off of just one year. Look at the entire history. I would easily put Iowa in the top 5 but I haven't done research on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    Daisy, don't those numbers just prove that Iowa has the best wrestlers of any state? I mean you give us as many people as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, New York, Michigan or Minnesota and we would dwarf everyone else in number of aa's.

    Pennsylvania has 12,734,905 people and ten aa's last year. Iowa has 3,053,787 people and six aa's. PA's population is about 4Xs that of Iowa's. If Iowa's state population was that of Pennsylvania we would have 24 aa's.
    A valid point. The same argument would say that Cuba and a number of European countries are better in the Olympics than the USA!

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    Herkey does have a good point, so the answer depends on how you ask the question. I see three ways to look at it (and I agree with a couple other posters that we should look at a 5 or 10 year average):

    1. The Best. With no caveats or qualifiers the best state is PA. They produce the most high placers at the NCAA level.

    2. The best HS all-star team. Imagine if there was a HS national duals every year with the best wrestler in the state at each weight. Now the quantity of wrestlers is much less important, all you need is one excellent kid at each weight. This swings towards Iowa's favor some, but I still think PA would have the highest average finish over a 5 or 10 year span. I'd also love to watch this every year.

    3. The best given your population (aka The Herkey Theory). At first, this seems to swing heavily in Iowa's favor but (here comes the Corso, "not so fast my friend") that is only if you look at total population. If you look at the quantity and quality of wrestlers produced given the total number of wrestlers in the state, PA crushes the field. I hadn't seen this before, but PA only ranks 7th in wrestling participation. The amount of success PA wrestlers have at the NCAA level given they are only #7 in total number of wrestlers says a lot for the state.

    Here are the top 10 (looks like 2008-9 data) in participation as posted by hswrestling.net. In 2010 Iowa had about 6,700 HS wrestlers, I couldn't find their 2008/9 numbers to see where they would rank.

    The top 10 states for boys wrestling participation were: 1. California (25,896); 2. Illinois (16,535); 3. Ohio (14,004); 4. New York (13,932); 5. Michigan (11,533); 6. New Jersey (9,839); 7. Pennsylvania (9,000); 8. North Carolina (8,801); 9. Minnesota (8,437); 10. Florida (8,011)

    High School Wrestling Participation is Up


    It might also be argued that California and Illinois do a terrible job at preparing wrestlers for NCAA success.

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