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    Willie, perhaps it is a regional or maybe even a sociological thing as where I went to school, most of the students were thinking about college unless they were members of the FFA.
    i don't mean that PA kids don't think about college. they do, for sure.

    what i mean, and what i think is rather indisputable, is that Pa HS wrestlers consider a state title the pinnacle achievement. whereas in other states, there is more of a college-oriented fan base that cultures college wrestling-oriented goals.

    in short, in PA/OH hs wrestling has always been the be-all, end-all, whereas in other states IA, OK, MN, college success is the ultimate goal.

    i think cael and psu winning a national title has turned some heads in that regard.

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    Gotcha, thanks.

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    I'd say there are lots and lots who are looking forward to college.

    However, I'll agree without hesitation that there are plenty of HS wrestlers who are focusing on getting through HS and winning a state title. Part of that is how hard it is to win a state title there. It is harder to win a state title in PA than it is to get a scholarship to wrestle in a D-I college. The other part is...they're high school students - that's where they are in life and that's what they are working towards at that point. The same could probably be said for most collegiate wrestlers. I'd expect more college wrestlers are focusing (on a day to day basis) on NCAA's than they are winning an Olympic gold.

    Winning the state title is what they can work toward at that time. As a coach, I would never try to get a kid to wrestle to earn a scholarship. The college stuff is much more within the control of outside people. Focus on wrestling well, that leads to success on the mat, that leads to the college stuff.

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    Tom - I think PSU's Joel Edwards was an Upper Darby guy as well. He was no Andy Matter, but he could roll.

    I grew up a district 1 wrestler (my high school can claim Jack Chidester senior), and while there are certainly some good wrestlers that come out of the area, we just don't have the quantity that other districts do. I don't think a district 1 team is in the hunt for the dual meet title very often (if ever). And while we do get some in the state finals, I would bet we are low in PIAA titles (imagine where d1 would be without the Rappo family!). It seems like a lot of d1 kids are happy making states and maybe picking up a couple wins.
    I do think that d1 is increasing it's strength, but still has a way to go.

    @KR - I agree about the basketball and would football as strong in the Catholic schools. Speaking only of wrestling - not so much.

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    Tom - I think PSU's Joel Edwards was an Upper Darby guy as well. He was no Andy Matter, but he could roll.

    I grew up a district 1 wrestler (my high school can claim Jack Chidester senior), and while there are certainly some good wrestlers that come out of the area, we just don't have the quantity that other districts do. I don't think a district 1 team is in the hunt for the dual meet title very often (if ever). And while we do get some in the state finals, I would bet we are low in PIAA titles (imagine where d1 would be without the Rappo family!). It seems like a lot of d1 kids are happy making states and maybe picking up a couple wins.
    I do think that d1 is increasing it's strength, but still has a way to go.

    @KR - I agree about the basketball and would football as strong in the Catholic schools. Speaking only of wrestling - not so much.
    BBL--I remember Joel Edwards--wasn't he a 190 pounder? Didn't know he was from Upper Darby too. Matter was something else to watch--generated a ton of excitement watching him. It was almost like magic watching some of the things he did--he would pull what looked like muscle moves, even though he had a slender build. Lots of speed and leverage.

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    PSU has had a few kids come from Council Rock South & Syrek is from Roberts, plus all the kids from Oxford so D1 has a good representation at PSU on the current roster. THe starting line up will have probably a few D7, D6 & D3. Interestingly enough no one from D11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    BBL--I remember Joel Edwards--wasn't he a 190 pounder? Didn't know he was from Upper Darby too. Matter was something else to watch--generated a ton of excitement watching him. It was almost like magic watching some of the things he did--he would pull what looked like muscle moves, even though he had a slender build. Lots of speed and leverage.
    I liked Edwards, unfortunately, I think he kind of got caught between weights and what the team needed. I remember him bumping up to HWT after looking solid at 97.

    I just went back and watched his match against Trenge. This one shows the throw better - as well as the head beating.
    trenge dq vs psu - YouTube
    This one has has the whole match with sound so you know how far after the whistle the throw was (and the earlier illegal hold violation).
    Blast from the Past: Jon Trenge vs Joel Edwards - 2005 - YouTube

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    Wow--I'd forgotten about that match. Lehigh must have been very frustrated after that meet! But that was a nasty late throw! Thanks for posting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Du View Post
    i don't mean that PA kids don't think about college. they do, for sure.

    what i mean, and what i think is rather indisputable, is that Pa HS wrestlers consider a state title the pinnacle achievement. whereas in other states, there is more of a college-oriented fan base that cultures college wrestling-oriented goals.

    in short, in PA/OH hs wrestling has always been the be-all, end-all, whereas in other states IA, OK, MN, college success is the ultimate goal.

    i think cael and psu winning a national title has turned some heads in that regard.
    It was a great article, and kudos to you for writing that.

    I live in Hershey and take my vacation time to attend both the team and individual state championships...the Giant Center is packed and there are kids skipping school, people working from their seats, I sat next to Kerry McCoy in the box last year, bumped into Cael and Kolat in the lobby...it's freaking crazy. I had my boss call me and ask me to get on a conference call and the Giant Center was rock'n...he asked me what concert I was attending. He couldn't believe I was at a HS wrestling tournament.

    Pennsylvania HS wrestling is a holiday. If I ran for Govenor, It'd be a mandatory three day holiday inline with the first day of Buck season.

    But to your point The DU, my 10 year old son wants to wrestle for CD Mock and Kolat at NC. So, I think you're right on the money with the article.

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