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    Quote Originally Posted by zzyzx View Post
    Hip tossed, or foreplay with a playful drunk?
    I guess it could've been foreplay. He was wearing handcuffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeyes2 View Post
    People like this have to hit rock bottom.
    I would tend to agree. Though we don't know the exact circumstances, from all the circumstantial evidence over the years, it seems that this young man has a nose for trouble. THAT in & of itself is an ISSUE. I have seen over & over when people do have issues they often do not change UNTIL they LOSE EVERYTHING. You oftenhave to let people like these "have a car crash" before they will wake up. I would say that this for now, more then qualifies.

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    How sad! The first issue is, is he guilty. We don't know, but as Herkey and others have said, his history makes you suspicious. May there be a fair trial and a correct verdict rendered! As a PSU fan the issue in this case isn't whether he wrestles for PSU again. The issue is what the truth is here and justice be done. If he is indeed guilty as most here suspect then he hopefully will hit rock bottom and eventually pull his life together. If he's not guilty, he needs to have his name cleared. But for me it's not an issue of whether he wrestles for PSU or not. In light of his past history, I would think Cael would hold him out until/if his name would be cleared. If he's found guilty it's a moot question. Andrew's life is hanging in the balance now and I pray that he eventually pulls through. What's going on in his life is much more important than wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomWright25 View Post
    How sad! The first issue is, is he guilty. We don't know, but as Herkey and others have said, his history makes you suspicious. May there be a fair trial and a correct verdict rendered! As a PSU fan the issue in this case isn't whether he wrestles for PSU again. The issue is what the truth is here and justice be done. If he is indeed guilty as most here suspect then he hopefully will hit rock bottom and eventually pull his life together. If he's not guilty, he needs to have his name cleared. But for me it's not an issue of whether he wrestles for PSU or not. In light of his past history, I would think Cael would hold him out until/if his name would be cleared. If he's found guilty it's a moot question. Andrew's life is hanging in the balance now and I pray that he eventually pulls through. What's going on in his life is much more important than wrestling.
    What about her?

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    I have been looking at this today & discussing this with a few people & I have made some conclusions based upon what I know so far.

    There are several issues here:

    1) The legality of his supposed actions which will be determined by a court of law;

    2) The University stance on students or student/athletes being arrested, (Long is over the legal drinking age);

    3) Team policy regarding alcohol consumption (Steadman was benched for using alcohol on his 21st birthday a few years ago) & being arrested;

    There is a ZERO tolerance for alcohol per Cael but I am not sure if that is solely in season.
    There may have been a modified stricter version of that policy specifically for Andrew. If there is then Long could be gone or suspended immediately;

    4) The consequences of being convicted for Long, the program & the University as well the damage done to the woman;

    5) Even if he is found innocent there is major PR damage to himself, the program & the school. I am a firm believer in the fact that you create your own circumstances in life & that even if he is innocent he still has to take the responsibility of the damaging effects he created.

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    I am sure Cael stuck his neck out for Long. He trusted that Long would keep himself together.

    If people trust you & you betray that trust that is a condition of TREASON. Treason is worse then anything an ENEMY could do to you. If you don't fix THAT then no one will ever trust you again & your life is pretty messed up after that until you do fix it. If someone has betrayed you & you do not assign that label to the betrayer, THEN guess what? YOU END UP GETTING THAT CONDITION/LABEL assigned to you. That could happen to Cael if he does not handle this correctly.

    The apparency is that Andrew is not to be trusted to even touch alcohol. Ultimately that becomes the MAIN concern of anyone in his life. Forget about Sports or College. His life appears to be off the rails b/c he can't handle alcohol. I would personally say that if I was someone there I would prevent him from drinking again indefinitely.

    It appears that Andrew was not mature enough to be left up to his own devices. It seems that he would have needed a bodyguard on him to keep him out of trouble or away from alcohol. And if that was the case that means that he was a LIABILITY. If that was the case you have to ask WHO KNEW? Did someone KNOW he was a liability BUT SAID NOTHING & apparently did nothing???

    For me, if Andrew had teammates or Coaching Staff that saw any of this coming & they didn't say anything they have culpability in this matter as well. In any event as a leader you raise the bar & tell everyone to jump. Those who can't make it either need to go or learn to jump higher that much faster. Apparently Andrew couldn't keep jumping over that standard.

    As a leader you have to take responsibility for letting something get out of your control under your watch. You are the one who has to fix the damage as well. It is unfortunate that this is a direct reflection upon Cael & the staff whether he likes it or not. That is just how life works. How he responds will speak volumes to the team, university & community. Sorry but it is a PR world & I am sure he knows this if he hasn't learned it by now.

    As a teammate, seeing someone breaking the rules or going out of control makes you an accessory if you saw it & said nothing or did nothing. To me, IF that IS the case, then it shows that either some kids on the team didn't care about Andrew or didn't care about the team b/c they we too weak to confront the insanity & stupidity in front of them.That is something that those guys will have to address personally for themselves & as a team.

    It could certainly end up being that Cael lets him go for the good of the team even though he still may want to help him personally.

    Of course the facts are not all known but I think I have addressed some simple focal points outside of that.

    I think that Long has to go fix himself & that the team has to move on. If Long ever makes it back it will be b/c he did an EXTENSIVE amends project that demonstrates 1) he has fixed himself, that 2) he can be trusted, that 3) he will be a valuable asset to the University & the team & lastly that he has fixed all the damage he has done to himself & to others who have trusted him in the past.

    If you care about people & the program it really can't go any other way.

    Then the justice system hopefully will help the accused & defendant sort out that, (but we know how that can go).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpeake7 View Post
    What about her?
    Good point! If she was raped may she find deep inner healing is that is a very traumatic experience to overcome! I hope that the investigation reveals the truth so that it can be dealt with and wounded parties find healing and offending parties find forgiveness and transformation. [Interestingly (to me)I'm reading a Grisham novel at present "The Associate" that has as part of its plot some similar events.] I feel badly about the whole thing but hope and pray that some good can eventually come out of it for all concerned.

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    kr1963, Alcohol has been his problem all along. This is what got him in trouble in Ames, again and again. Cael decided to write down a few rules and stick his neck out that Andrew wouldn't get in trouble again. The alcohol problem was ignored. You don't straighten out by changing locations, he needed help when he left Ames, not just a new location.

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    http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage...on-Anderw-Long

    Looks like KJ had a clue about how to handle this.
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    Good find VA. If only everyone took the same approach as KJ did.
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