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    Default Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- All weights Posted

    After reading JensenS and Zapp's I decided I'd like to do my own set of predictions so here goes nothing..
    Last edited by Zapp Brannigan; 06-30-2011 at 04:53 PM.
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    Looks like nothing.
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    Hey, he's on pace to finish before me.
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    125
    1. Matt McDonough, Iowa
    2. Jon Morrison, Oklahoma State
    3. Zach Sanders, Minnesota
    4. Ryan Mango, Stanford
    5. Nic Bedelyon, Kent State
    6. Jarrod Patterson , Oklahoma
    7. Anthony Zanetta, Pittsburgh
    8. Alan Waters, Missouri


    R12: Matt Snyder-UVA, Frank Perelli-Cornell, Jarrod Garnett VT., Nikko Triggas-Ohio State

    Matt McDonough is coming in this year as one of the most heavily favored wrestlers to win a title in 2012. His 2011 loss will probably propel him to the training levels of insanity that make Tom and Terry a bit concerned. The way Matt wrestles is not the most aesthetically pleasing sight to behold, but it?s quite effective. His leg attacks are far from smooth but if he gets a hold of it, he will finish. Difficult to ride, and can be punishing on top with bars/cradles. He is a unique combination of a Toyota Prius and a Dodge Ram. He has the gas mileage of a Prius where he simply doesn?t run out of gas,(or like some malunctional Prius?s simply can?t stop) and the power of a Dodge Ram where he can use his strength and leverage to get himself out of tough situations.

    I spent time trying to figure out who would have the ?break out? year and elevate themselves as the clear number 2. I decided that Zach Sanders has been around 3 years and he?s not getting any better, so I went with a guy who already has a win over Sanders and had a nice first half of the season before injuries derailed him. Jon Morrison announced he had arrived with his 4-0 win over Ben Kjar.(a win that now looks even better than it did then) He then notched a nice OT win over Zach Sanders where Sanders really wore him out. He?s a very complete wrestler, got a few very nice takedowns in the arsenal. Can get a tough ride going though not the greatest turner. If he?s healthy I think he can rise all the way to number 2 at 125.

    Zach will wrap up his career as a 4x All American and among the most exciting wrestlers in this weight class. He has been a pillar of consistency for the Gophers and I think they?ll really miss him after this year. He is a goer in the truest sense of the word. Great ducks and leg attacks in his arsenal, but can struggle with finishing against great guys. Only rides guys that are pretty bad on bottom, and can occasionally struggle with getting out from bottom himself. I?d say he could get up to 2nd this year, but he has shown he?ll probably never beat Matt.

    A 4th place finish from Ryan Mango will require another year where he makes some improvements. Had a decent freshmen campaign, but was lackluster at best. He did really well last year, but nobody really ?bought in? until he finally got on the podium. Very talented wrestler with great physical gifts. Just a compact ball of muscle that can throw you on your head.(thanks big bro!) He notched some nice wins last year, and I think he elevates his level(though not quite the jump he had last year) and winds up 4th.

    Only reaching the round of 12 last year really surprised me based on the regular season he put together. Nic Bedelyon had me when the tech falled the lightest of the Virginia Tech flakes, Jarrod Garnett. Hasn?t shown that he can get to the next level, but he?s got enough tools to get on the podium if you ask me. He?s great on top and pretty slick on his feet. I think he gets back on the podium as a senior.

    You may say a defensive style can only get you so far, and I would agree with that. However, I think Jarrod Patterson?s style of blocking off, hard hand fight and occasionally get the re-shot TD, then getting the riding time point will get him on the podium again. He?s not terribly aggressive, but that hasn?t proven to matter as much. He?s solid, not spectacular and is in a brutal conference with Morrison and Waters. With wins over Perelli, Morrison, Stieber, and Waters I may be selling him a bit short.

    Last year I was really really high on Anthony Zanetta. He had a pretty stout true freshmen campaign and a successful summer in freestyle. He had some turbulence during the year but never really had a ?bad? loss in my opinion. He had wins last year over Jarrod Patterson and Alan Waters. This is probably my biggest reach as far as AA picks, but oh well. I think he?s tough and might take it up another level this year.

    Tigerfan announced in KobePM like fashion that Alan Waters would do it big time and get on the podium as a freshmen. Well he didnt. However, he did have a really solid freshmen campaign. Started the year 24-0 til he ran into Ryan Mango. Then was able to manage wins over Mango, Perelli, Bedelyon(Nic got screwed that match) and Zanetta. To Alans credit he was screwed royally by officials in his B12 tourney match against Patterson. Waters wrestles from a knee a lot but that keeps him in most matches and allowed him to beat some tough kids. Got bounced in rd 1 of NCAA?s when he drew Anthony Zanetta, then lost 2 rounds later to James Nicholson.

    In conclusion this is a weight that really cannibalized itself last year with everybody essentially beating everyone else at some point and time, so it can be difficult to predict how it will all shake out.
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    Default Re: Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- 125 Posted

    No love for your Va. Tech Flake?
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    Default Re: Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- 125 Posted

    Well, I ended up putting him in there(note the edit) but I'm wondering how VT is going to sort out the Ty Mitch, Jarrod Garnett, Devin Carter, Zach Neibert situation at 125-141. Maybe Mitch just sits the bench this year or maybe they RS Garnett or Carter. I really have no idea.
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    Default Re: Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- 125 Posted

    133

    1. Jordan Oliver, Oklahoma State
    2. Tony Ramos, Iowa
    3. Andrew Long, PSU
    4. Tyler Graff, Wisconsin
    5. Scotti Sentes, CMU
    6. Logan Stieber, Ohio State
    7. BJ Futrell, Illinois
    8. Devin Carter, Virginia Tech
      R12: David Thorn- Minnesota, Cashe Quiroga- Purdue, Keith Surber- Nebraska, Garret Drucker-Oregon State



    Jordan Oliver spent the entire 2010-2011 season reminding us of why he was such a highly touted recruit and that his freshmen year was simply an aberration. Another complete wrestler. From neutral he is an absolute nightmare. His level changes and fakes make me sprawl just watching him. Got quite a few different take-downs in his arsenal and can also go upper body if need be. He is a great rider and turner with tilts and cradles. I didn?t see him ridden at all last year. His defense on his feet is stellar and essentially doesn?t get taken down unless it?s in garbage time. I think he proved to his Coach that he can be effective at 133 and I doubt he moves up.


    The Hawks need Tony Ramos to jump a few levels this year and I think he can do just that. Yes his weight is brutal in his conference, but he?s shown he can compete with the best. This weight stacks up well for Tony in that there aren?t many elite riders.(save JO and Sentes) Wrestles hard and is best on his feet. Has a nice knee pull single that is his go to and really is very proficient with finishes especially given his size disparity. He beat Long last year, and given how Graff has regressed or plateaued, I can see him jumping over him as well. Never faced JO, but I think we can all hypothesize how that would go. Lost to two big ol tough guys last year in Sentes and King Lou. I think he shores up his bottom deficiencies and will be able to beat Scotti next year. He has had a nice Summer in Freestyle as well.

    I thought Andrew Long going to PSU last year would definitely help the Nittany Lions, but I was a bit skeptical if he could leave all his issues and be the same wrestler he was as a freshmen. Well, that part I was wrong about. It appears the change of scenery was what Long needed. Beat up Tyler Graff in their first meeting and then chased him all over the mat the second time they met in the big 10 finals. Had a loss to Ramos in the PSU dual and that?s the last time he?d lose until he hit Andrew Hochstrasser at NCAA?s. Got an awesome underhook series and although I thought he?d be a little small at 33, he showed no signs of getting out muscled all year. Just a great athlete who is just a lot of fun to watch.

    A lot of people thought Tyler Graff would be just an absolute terror last year. He pushed pace, had a great front headlock and single leg series and would just never stop. Well Tyler didn?t exactly do that last year, he seemed to have lost some of his edge, but was still able to get on the podium for another 5th place finish. Brutalized Devin Carter and BJ Futrell, had an OT win over Ramos. Lost to Hochstrasser, who I?m sure he will be glad graduated since he seemingly had his number, Oliver and Sentes. Given the coaching turmoil that is apparently occuring in Wisconsin, I don?t expect Tyler to jump levels, but to have a Zach Sanders Pillar of Consistency type of career.


    I?ll be the first to admit last year that I was a Scotti Sentes seller. Thought his freshmen year was an aberration and after his sophomore year I really thought I was right. Well his NCAA tournament(where I watched nearly all of his matches) changed my mind. He was primed and ready to pull the big time upset against Andrew Long before Andy went all ?YOU SHALL NOT PASS? on him and pulled him off and stuck him. Though he lost, that match showed a lot to me. He?s almost hilariously huge and tall. Great leg rider and rider in general. Great counters on his feet. Sometimes I wonder if his own dimensions are a part of his undoing the way guys can get to his legs. I think he gets on the podium this year again to cap off his career. He will be a scary match up for anyone at NCAA?s not named Jordan Oliver.

    Logan Stieber comes in as a real wild card in my opinion. Started last year and just embarrassed Anthony Zanetta. You would have thought Matt McDonoughs top challenger had arrived. Well then through either a combination of injuries and maybe just cooling off a bit he came down to earth losing to Jarrod Patterson, Jason Lara and Frank Perelli. Then his season was over. I?m leaning more towards he was injured than anything. He has shown, more through his freestyle success, that he can hang on his feet with most anyone. I think he perhaps has the ceiling to break through and rise up to the upper-echelon of this weight, but the fact remains that we haven?t seen enough of Logan Stieber healthy and wrestling folkstyle to really know for sure. I am still not sure how he?ll do from bottom. I know he?s got a decent bar series from top, but we will see how well he can turn guys at this level. Really strong kid with great athleticism and a bright future.

    BJ Futrell is a very talented guy with lots of ability on his feet. Not an exceptional rider, and pretty bad from underneath. He is borderline overly aggressive on his feet which can cost him at times. He still notched some pretty prime time wins this year beating Devin Carter(x2) Scotti Sentes, Tony Ramos and David Thorn. I think he gets on the podium again this year, but I don?t foresee a big jump.

    Devin Carter. He?s my boy. I love how he wrestles, but I don?t know how much I believe he can get done here at VT. A wild and crazy kid from his feet. Real bad from bottom, and I don?t know how much better he?ll get at VT. He?s so talented I think eventually he could win a national title. I?m not sure how possible that will be at VT so I?ll hope he just becomes a 3x AA and can get on the podium as a Sophomore. He is not especially smooth or quick, but he has great hips and is strong as a mule. Loves to control ties and under hooks from the feet. He was another huge 33, which makes me wonder if he?ll be able to make it again.
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    Default Re: Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- 125 Posted

    "Yes his weight is brutal in his conference"

    Off the top of my head I just counted 10 guys from the Big Ten that could be ranked at 133 next year (Futrell, Ramos, Stephens, Surber, Mele, Stieber, Long, Quiroga, Graff, Thorn). . . that's just dumb. I feel bad for Michigan State's 133.

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    Default Re: Vaisforlovers 2012 Summer Predictions- 125 Posted

    Quote Originally Posted by Laych07 View Post
    I feel bad for Michigan State's 133.
    Just their 33 pounder?
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