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    Default Re: 2011/2012 Summer All American Predictions: 125 Posted

    I like the picks. With the strength (or lack there of) at this weight....I think we will see a true frosh sneak in there.
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    Default Re: 2011/2012 Summer All American Predictions: 125 Posted

    Alton was having a hard time sucking weight at the end of the year.

    I expect Nico to wrestle this year. I would put him in the top 15 right now. I think he has a 3x AA potential with at least one Championship. Not Metcalf category but we saw what Cael has done with talent.

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    Default Re: 2011/2012 Summer All American Predictions: 125 Posted

    I could see Morrison being the tough rider that holds McDonough down. Possibly Patterson, but I wouldn't bet on him.


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    If Morrison can get his head straight I could see him being a level above Sanders, very unlikely anyone will challenge McDonough though. Also, if Ramos does go 125, assuming the cut is comfortable for him then he'd absolutely be a title threat - he's so much bigger/stronger than Sanders. Either Morrison, Waters, Mango or Patterson are bound to make a big jump this season, just not sure which one it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    I could see Morrison being the tough rider that holds McDonough down. Possibly Patterson, but I wouldn't bet on him.
    Patterson would have to take a big step on his feet to be a threat to McDonough, at least in my mind.
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    Default Re: 2011/2012 Summer All American Predictions: 125 Posted

    I was strictly speaking in terms of riding McDonough tough enough to hold him down like you mentioned Precin and Robles had done. Even so, I don't feel great about Patterson doing it.

    Morrison has a decent chance if he gets healthy, I think. Patterson never appears as good, so I don't have confidence in him, but he wrestles very smart and just finds a way to ride and escape. That's why I mention him.


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    I was high on Mango all last season -if not for a late season SERIOUS injury-one I thought might end his season -he could easily won 35 matches , rather than 26 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    I could see Morrison being the tough rider that holds McDonough down. Possibly Patterson, but I wouldn't bet on him.
    So you feel that Morrison has a chance to beat Mcd?

    I feel like just because Anthony Robles turned him a bunch we think that McD has this glaring weakness on bottom. Precin gave him some troubles and in 4 matches he beat him once. McD had him completely figured out by big 10's and NCAA's. Precin is a far better rider than Morrison and Patterson are.

    I think they are two talented kids, but we might be getting ahead of ourselves and letting the most recent memory of McD tell the whole story.
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    Had a tough time finalizing on 2-6 here at this weight...

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    1. Jordan Oliver (Oklahoma State)
    2. Andrew Long (Penn State)
    3. Tyler Graff (Wisconsin)
    4. Logan Stieber (Ohio State)
    5. Scott Sentes (Central Michigan)
    6. Tony Ramos (Iowa)
    7. BJ Futrell (Illinois)
    8. Devin Carter (Virginia Tech)
    R12. David Thorn (Minnesota), Cashe Quiroga (Purdue), Flint Ray (Utah Valley), Garrett Drucker (Oregon State)

    Looking back on the sets of picks that I did last summer and then last fall before the season got going its almost funny to me to see just how wrong I was about Jordan Oliver. I thought him staying down at 133 was an awful idea and that we'd see another solid season, but one where he'd have too many matches where he'd just hang on to narrow victories. Things wound up going down a little differently than that as Oliver ran off an undefeated season and finished second in Hodge Trophy voting. Demonstrated no weaknesses at all in his wrestling last year. Either 1B or 2 in terms of best guy in the country from neutral (depending on how you felt in relation to him and Jordan Burroughs) tough on top when he decided he wanted to ride someone, and he was able to get away from everyone he wrestled without much trouble. While there are some really good wrestlers from 2-6 here at this weight class, I still don't see anyone touching Oliver barring injury or fluke pin.

    Spent a lot of time debating as to who I wanted to stick here in this #2 spot before deciding on giving the nod to Long. Had a stumble early on in his season last year when he dropped a match to Ramos, but after that match he went on an utter tear over the rest of the Big 10 season recording two wins apiece over Graff and Futrell and then a major over a guy in David Thorn who was steadily improving over the second half of the year. Like Oliver he's a guy who really doesn't have any glaring weaknesses in his wrestling. Tough offensively from his feet especially working out of his left underhook. He seemed like he was less reliant on that last year than he was as a freshman. Other than Sentes he's probably the best guy in the top group here at this weight class on top in terms of putting points on the board, then like Oliver he's generally able to get away from guys. His biggest thing will just be keeping his head right (I really want to try to avoid using the term "living the life") and staying committed.

    Came into last year super high on Graff and while he put up another solid season he didn't really make the leap like I and some others may have been expecting him to, he was more or less the same guy he was when he was a freshman. Not to say that was necessarily a bad thing as he was really good as a freshman. Only lost one match over the first three months of the season last year. Still super technical on his feet, his single leg and his front headlock are both picture perfect. Coming into last year I thought he'd take a big step forward with his mat wrestling but he was still pretty much the same guy. Solid, but not necessarily super effective as a rider. Not really much of a turner at all. Seemed like he may have been a little beat up at the end of the year last year as he showed some gas tank issues in matches at Big 10's and NCAA's. That wasn't something you'd really seen out of him before.

    I think Stieber may wind up flying under the radar at least for a little while during the early part of this season just as a result of the way his folkstyle season last year ended where he made the semi's at Las Vegas before losing a close match to Jarrod Patterson and then losing both of his consolation matches and finishing 6th. Stieber broke his hand at that tournament and spent the rest of the year on the sideline. Before that weekend though he had announced himself in a big way when he just utterly demolished Anthony Zanetta in an early season dual. Came back and out and showed that he still knows how to wrestle freestyle this spring as he made the Junior World team, and then this past weekend finished 4th at Senior World Team trials losing to Coleman Scott in the match for true 3rd and a spot on the national team. En route to that match he put tech falls up over former NCAA champions Derek Moore and Matt Valenti and defeated former World Silver medalist and multiple time world team member Mike Zadick.

    Sentes was one of the most surprising guys to come out of the NCAA tournament last year as he came in as the #11 seed and was picked by some (at least me anyway) to get knocked off in the first round. Looking at his results though he actually had a better year going into NCAA's than some people may have expected. He was solid at Vegas and Midlands, but he had a bad loss (at the time) to Frank Cagnina and then an awful weekend at National Duals where he got majored by Devin Carter and pinned by Matt Fields. The thing is though, after National Duals he didn't lose another match until the quarterfinals at NCAA's. Was really effective at NCAA's in getting to his offense in order to get to where he's most comfortable (on top). That had always been what had limited him in the past. Guys would take neutral and try and beat him there.

    My (second now) favorite Hawkeye from last season comes in here at the #6 spot, and he's someone who I recognize that I may be underrating based off his potential here at this weight class. Got an opportunity to get into the line up last year after Tyler Clark got hurt at the Kauffman Brand tournament and really just never relinquished the spot. Stylistically he's not really superlative in any one area, he's just solid. Keeps great position on his feet. Is aggressive, but not sloppy. Doesn't really put a lot of points on the board but he's solid on top. Over most of the year he demonstrated solid enough ability on bottom. Bottom was what kind of snake bit him at the end of the year as Sentes was able to control him at NCAA's, and then in the round of 12 he was much better than Ruggirello on his feet, but Ruggirello rode him for over four minutes and wound up sneaking out a one point win. Did some good work wrestling freestyle this summer, won University Nationals beating Nick Dardanes in the finals.

    Did a lot pumping up of Futrell two years ago, but he wound up redshirting. Coming into the year last year I'd honestly just kind of forgotten about him, but after strong showings at Las Vegas and Midlands I and pretty much everyone else knew who he was. At his best on his feet. Super aggressive, super athletic. Tough on top as a rider and a turner. Bad on bottom. Pretty much all of the matches he lost last year were to guys who were good on top and were able to keep him down on the mat at bare minimum and sometimes put points on the board.

    Similar to Graff and Futrell (although its even more pronounced) Carter is really, really good on his feet but pretty shaky on the mat. Came in last year as a true freshman under the radar to most people but really wrestled well. Announced himself early on when he beat Kyle Hutter in the finals of the Hokie Open. Just a wild man on his feet, has a lot of different techniques and he's not afraid to go deep into his arsenal to try and score on guys. Great motor too, always going after guys. Only losses last year were either to guys who kept him down on the mat (Hochstrasser, Futrell, Grey) or guys that he wouldn't be able to get tired and were just as good as him on the feet (Graff). I hesitate in typing this but stylistically he reminded me a lot of Colt Sponseller when he was a freshman. Hopefully for Carter he's able to break through and make the podium before he's a senior.
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