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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    This is going to sound horrible to the politically correct. But I really don't care who is or has juiced. If juicing is why Jordan Burroughs can hit those explosive double legs, so what. I want to see those double legs. I want to see a guy hit a 700ft homerun. I want to see Usain Bolt beat a horse in the 100m dash.

    The way I figure it, these guys are all adults and making a choice just like smoking. It may kill them one day, but they should be free to make the choice. If you can't see, you get glasses. If your superduck lacks explosion, take steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    The only thing that differentiates legal from illegal substances is an arbitrary line drawn by legislators who next to nothing about the issue.
    Yeah, and in one instance youre cheating and the other youre not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Other than Russ: who condoned steroid/HGH use for wrestlers competing?
    Maybe it was just Russ, but that was the tone that was running through my head as I was reading the other posts about HGH being non harmful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    This is going to sound horrible to the politically correct. But I really don't care who is or has juiced. If juicing is why Jordan Burroughs can hit those explosive double legs, so what. I want to see those double legs. I want to see a guy hit a 700ft homerun. I want to see Usain Bolt beat a horse in the 100m dash.

    The way I figure it, these guys are all adults and making a choice just like smoking. It may kill them one day, but they should be free to make the choice. If you can't see, you get glasses. If your superduck lacks explosion, take steroids.
    It's not about protecting someone from themselves. I could care less that Ken Caminino died from an enlarged heart way too early. It was his personal choice. I wouldnt take that away from him.

    What it is about is creating a level playing field for all the players of the game. If a substance is banned, you are cheating if you use it. It gives you an unfair advantage. I want to see 700 ft homeruns too, but by a guy that didnt cheat to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    It's not about protecting someone from themselves. I could care less that Ken Caminino died from an enlarged heart way too early. It was his personal choice. I wouldnt take that away from him.

    What it is about is creating a level playing field for all the players of the game. If a substance is banned, you are cheating if you use it. It gives you an unfair advantage. I want to see 700 ft homeruns too, but by a guy that didnt cheat to do it.
    I agree with you Herkey. Yes, everyone makes choices and lives with the consequences. But an athlete that wants to protect his body and still be competitive needs to be able to play on a level field. By wanting to protect his body he shouldn't have to suffer the consequence of a competitive disadvantage to shoe who abuse theirs.

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    I understand your points, Herkey and Tom, but everyone cheats. Replay shows that Derek Jeter didn't get hit by that pitch in the playoffs last year. He knew it and took his base. Offensive linemen hold on almost every snap of the ball. The really good ones get away with it. Coaches & managers of all sports "work the refs or umps" in hopes of getting things swayed their way. I once broke a guy's finger who was about to lock up a tilt and it didn't get called. Just this year, my nephew moved up 2 weight classes for sectionals. After winning the first night he had to at least weigh 126 to qualify for 135 the next day. He didn't. The ref allowed him to put on all his clothes and ipod and phone to get the extra 3lbs. He ended up winning 2 more matches the next day. What's the difference?

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    There is a stark difference between cheating and bending the rules a bit for Quinns example. For the ref to let him weight in with clothes, thats not cheating and if anything else he is at a disadvantage for being smaller than everyone else.

    To take steroids while the other players dont take them is cheating because you are giving yourself an unfair advantage while using something that is illegal to use. Whether you like it or not, the PEDs that arent allowed arent allowed for a reason, some may be political, some may not be, but they are the rules.

    If PEDs werent illegal or against the rules then fine, take as much as you want, but I would guess the vast majority of athletes dont take PEDs, but maybe i am naive as well?

    Also, the posts about Adderall or Cocaine being a PED are hilarious. Not that I am condoning the use of those substances, but If you have ever taken either of them or know of someone who has they are far from performance enhancing.......There is nothing positive that can come athletically from taking any Amphetamine substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dback_5 View Post
    There is a stark difference between cheating and bending the rules a bit for Quinns example. For the ref to let him weight in with clothes, thats not cheating and if anything else he is at a disadvantage for being smaller than everyone else.
    Again, I see your point of view, but if rules are rules then they should all be followed. If my nephew didn't make weight properly then one of the other two kids would have qualified for districts. They didn't qualify because my nephew was allowed to break the rules. Same as doping to me.

    As far as the other drugs not being performance enhancing, I don't know, I'll take your word for it. But why, then, are people still suspended for using them? Joe Warren was suspended for smoking weed and everyone knows that doesn't help your wrestling performance. I contend that the reason is simply because they broke a rule. Just like Jeter or me or my nephew or probably everyone.

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    Pot is banned, not because it has a performance enhancing effect, but because it is illegal. Whether it should be or not is a discussion for another time. Being suspended for smoking pot is just like being suspended for DUI or underage. Neither help your competitive performance, but they are illegal.

    We have an established set of rules that we think wrestlers should follow to make it a good sport. My view is that PEDs are one of the rules, just like having weight classes, to allow for a "level playing field". If it was only about the one guy who was better than all the rest, no matter what, then drop the weight classes, drop the other rules, and see who is the baddest man (or woman). I'm not interested in that "sport."

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