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    Default Likelihood of a Freshman AA

    My only point of reference on this was 4x AA lists so my data is incorrect feel free to correct me. I could have delved deeper but it just would have made my brain NUMB.

    I was discussing with some people recently "Likelihood of a Freshman AA" & my assumption was that the lighter weights would be more likely to have this happen. I started looking at the upper weights first.

    Since 1971, when freshman were allowed to compete, a freshman has AA-ed a "whopping" 6xs at 190 in 28 years. In the 13 years since the NCAA created the 197 weight class only two freshman has ever reached All-American by my count & that was PSU's Phil Davis & Cornell's Cam Simaz.

    If anyone can come up with someone else please let me know.

    So that would mean in 41 years 8 Freshman have AAed at the 190/7 weight class.

    Freshman AAs at 177/18 don't fair much better with 1 AA @ 175 in 1947, 3 AAs since 1971 @ 177 & 4 AAs @ 184 since 1999. However 2 of of those 4 AAs were NCAA champs.

    You have more chance being a Freshman All-American at heavyweight then at that weight class, (13) & out of all these AAs only ONE was a NCAA freshman champ & that was in 1947 @ Heavyweight or UNLIMITED as they called it back then.

    As I said I was only using the 4x AA lists so this data could be warped. If anyone has a more extensive data base that would great to know about. I also noticed that since freshman were allowed to compete that only 2 classes have failed to have 4x AAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    only 2 classes have failed to have 4x AAs.
    2000 and this past one, correct?
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    That is a very interesting discussion. You also have to think of guys like Dustin Schlatter who was a 3x AA but didn't make it his senior year because of injury. So, like you said, there has to be a way to find this out other than just 4x AA's. I just don't know it yet. I will spend this rainy day watching my dvr'd Bellator fights and trying to figure this out. My day now has a purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    2000 and this past one, correct?
    According to this site there was none in 1990 either.


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    Your missing a few freshman All-Americans by only looking at the 4xers. JD Bergman placed 3rd in 2004 as a freshman at 197.

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    Here is a few from Minnesota. The way it is listed, I am assuming they were AA their freshman years, but not all 4. Although they aren't all heavier weights.

    BILLY PIERCE
    1993: Hwt (5th)
    1995: Hwt (6th)
    1996: Hwt (6th)


    JACOB VOLKMANN
    2001: 174 (4th)
    2002: 165 (3rd)
    2004: 165 (4th)

    MACK REITER
    2005: 133 (4th)
    2006: 133 (4th)
    2008: 133 (5th)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    2000 and this past one, correct?
    If this past one is included then it would be 3. I couldn't find anything on class of 2011. On Earl's page it says none in 1990 & 2000. Guess every 10 years something happens int he water...

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    That is a very interesting discussion. You also have to think of guys like Dustin Schlatter who was a 3x AA but didn't make it his senior year because of injury. So, like you said, there has to be a way to find this out other than just 4x AA's. I just don't know it yet. I will spend this rainy day watching my dvr'd Bellator fights and trying to figure this out. My day now has a purpose.
    I now feel deeply fulfilled in helping my fellow man on glorious non-football sunday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdanforth View Post
    Your missing a few freshman All-Americans by only looking at the 4xers. JD Bergman placed 3rd in 2004 as a freshman at 197.
    Cool, yea I didn't think that my data was anywhere near complete so thanks for that.

    What makes it so frustrating is that the NCAA brackets DO NOT list the wrestler's year, just school & seed. So at this point, (unless the Pirate has a miracle database) the only way I can see figuring that out is going through one by one & seeing their year & only if by some stroke of luck that data is somewhere to be found on the internet. I am hoping that Jay has all that data in his book but just didn't quantify it on his website.

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