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    Default The Truth about Cael ? By Willyman on DI

    The truth comes out about Cael Sanderson
    ? Thread Started Today at 9:31am ? The truth comes out about Cael Sanderson At ISU:

    It turns out, it was Cael that got Bobby Douglas fired at ISU back in 2006!

    Book presents an interesting look at Douglas' life
    A story from the Cedar Rapids Gazett this morning (4/17/11):
    by jr.ogden@sourcemedia.net

    Bobby Douglas was an interesting character while coaching at Arizona State and Iowa State.
    He's even more interesting in Craig Sesker's new book, 'Bobby Douglas: Life and Legacy of an American Wrestling Legend.' Douglas' coaching resume is well-established, starting with one year at California-Santa Barbara, followed by 18 at ASU (including the 1988 NCAA title) and 14 in Ames.
    What you might not know about Douglas is the odds he overcame to become the first African American state champion in Ohio high school history, an NAIA national champion at West Liberty (W.Va.), an All-American at Oklahoma State and, finally, an Olympian. After his mother was brutally attacked and left for dead (while Douglas watched), he grew up in poverty with his grandparents at 'Stop 32' in Blaine, Ohio.
    You also may not have known Douglas grew up around baseball greats Phil and Joe Niekro and basketball star John Havlicek. As a matter of fact, Sesker writes, 'Phil Niekro Highway now runs by the Bobby Douglas Bridge on the way to John Havlicek Gymnasium at Bridgeport High School.' All three are Hall of Famers in their respec≠tive sports.
    'I could hit Joe, but I couldn't hit Phil,' Douglas, a standout baseball and football player during his younger days, told Sesker.
    There's also an interesting segment about his firing at Iowa State - al≠though athletics director Jamie Pollard never called it that at the time - and the role his star pupil, Cael Sanderson, played in that firing.
    'The Ohio State job had come open and we couldn't risk losing Cael,' Pollard told Sesker. ' ...
    Cael told me 'I'm either the head coach at Iowa State or I leave.' ' ISU didn't want to lose Sanderson as it lost Dan Gable to Iowa so many years earlier. Douglas was given the option to stay one more year, but didn't want to work under that cloud, knowing he wouldn't be coming back.

    Douglas has never blamed Sanderson, then or now in this book, but his wife, Jackie, told Sesker 'I have a hard time forgiving Cael for what he did.' And Pollard now told Sesker if he knew Sanderson would pack up and leave for Penn State, he never would have made the change.

    Hindsight.
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    Default Re: The Truth about Cael ? By Willyman on DI

    This is not Willymans opinion, well, it might be, but what you posted isnt. What you posted is JR Ogdens perception from excerpts of Craig Seskers new book about Bobby Douglas. It doesn't shine a very good light on the national championship coach.
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    Default Re: The Truth about Cael ? By Willyman on DI

    Willyman posted this on DI and I copy/pasted it on here .
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Default Re: The Truth about Cael ? By Willyman on DI

    Following a mentor or coach is always a tough situation. I'd understand his, or anyone's, professional goal of wanting to be a head coach, but it never sounds pretty if the time lines don't match up. It can make a professional decision sounds very personal. Should he have promised to stay and wait for as long as Douglas wanted to coach just because Douglas was his coach? Especially when a great job opened up somewhere else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    Following a mentor or coach is always a tough situation. I'd understand his, or anyone's, professional goal of wanting to be a head coach, but it never sounds pretty if the time lines don't match up. It can make a professional decision sounds very personal. Should he have promised to stay and wait for as long as Douglas wanted to coach just because Douglas was his coach? Especially when a great job opened up somewhere else?
    At the time the Ohio State job was open and Cael was going to take that one if he didnt get the head job at ISU and told Pollard so. So Pollard pushed Bobby out to make room for Ceal and three years later Cael bolted. What he should've did was what Brands did. Take a job somewhere else and come back if he still wanted to when the job was open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    At the time the Ohio State job was open and Cael was going to take that one if he didnt get the head job at ISU and told Pollard so.
    This sums it up pretty well right here. Like ODH says above he didn't force Pollard to do anything, just stated that he wanted a head coaching job.

    Don't really see why people (namely a segment of the Iowa fanbase) make such a big deal about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    This sums it up pretty well right here. Like ODH says above he didn't force Pollard to do anything, just stated that he wanted a head coaching job.

    Don't really see why people (namely a segment of the Iowa fanbase) make such a big deal about this.
    I don't see myself in your segment, but I don't like how it went down for Bobby Douglas. I have loyal sentiments for Douglas because he's a classy unselfish human being. As far as I'm concerned it was shameful, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm01 View Post
    I don't see myself in your segment
    That's because you aren't...

    Its fine to feel bad for how things ended for Douglas, but I lay that more at the feet of the seemingly pretty incompetent Iowa State athletic department rather than to say that Sanderson "forced" him out. I mean its not like Cael had the power to offer himself the job.

    If the admin was satisfied with the job that Bobby was doing then they could have let him go to Ohio State.
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    Default Re: The Truth about Cael ? By Willyman on DI

    That PSU coach is just a snake and a wolf in sheeps clothing. His actions actually do speak louder than his words do, but not really ever in a very positive light normally. Outside of PSU fans there are people that see the PSU Head Coach for what he really is and what he really stands for.

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