Re: Looking for the next Cael

**Gold** · 04-04-2011, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by vaisforlovers

However, I remember saying similar things about Chris Phillips fabulous freshmen season. Since then Chris hasn't been able to do too much.

I don't know if it's true to say he hasn't been able to do much. The summer after his frosh year he dominated Fargo cadets, teching pretty much everyone. It's more accurate to say he hasn't challenged himself since then.

Ed Ruth is the only one to beat him in high school, and Ruth was two years older than him. I think he's only been taken down twice in high school (one by Ruth).

Nowadays, his typical match involves racking up three easy takedowns in the first period and coasting through the rest of the match. It's been an anticlimactic career for sure, but it's not like he's been dropping matches left and right. I hope the challenges of college competition motivate him.

**Daisy Cutter** · 04-04-2011, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by kr1963

Solanco freshman Thomas Haines won the 215-pound crown later in the evening. So it was a short lived heaviest ever freshman champ...

That Southeastern corner of PA is really putting out some young studs. DC

**FalconWrestlingKY** · 04-04-2011, 10:36 PM

I have seen Mark Hall wrestle in person, sadly I was about a takedown away from actually wrestling him back when he was still in Kentucky. I have him currently tabbed as around a future 3x National Champion. I wonder what would've happened if Chase Metcalf would still be here to train the kid, Hall is a monster, albeit a cocky one. His dad knows just what to do to bring out his full potential.

**kr1963** · 04-04-2011, 10:38 PM

Solanco had 2 champs this year.

**vaisforlovers** · 04-05-2011, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Gold

I don't know if it's true to say he hasn't been able to do much. The summer after his frosh year he dominated Fargo cadets, teching pretty much everyone. It's more accurate to say he hasn't challenged himself since then.

Ed Ruth is the only one to beat him in high school, and Ruth was two years older than him. I think he's only been taken down twice in high school (one by Ruth).

Nowadays, his typical match involves racking up three easy takedowns in the first period and coasting through the rest of the match. It's been an anticlimactic career for sure, but it's not like he's been dropping matches left and right. I hope the challenges of college competition motivate him.

My point was that nobody is accusing Phillips of being the next Cael like they once were, and are now w/ Marstellar.

**Badcat** · 04-05-2011, 08:30 AM

Just respect each wrestler as their own. Cael was great in a great era. The current world team doesn't seem to be as dominating as years past, but there are some young stars who are really showing some great promise.

**kr1963** · 04-05-2011, 11:33 AM

I wouldn't compare anyone in most sports to the top guys & legends. Even if guys records are broken the comparisons are difficult as things change in sports with every generation. I think Chance is showing a lot of promise obviously. He is on a path of being an undefeated 4x PIAA champ right now. That hasn't happened but 5xs maybe. Kolat being the last. It will be fun to watch over the next 3 years.

**dback_5** · 04-05-2011, 01:04 PM

There wont be another one like that, if ever, for a very long time. He had the perfect storm where he never got hurt or injured too badly and wrestled at a heavy weight where he was far superior athletically than his competition.

What he did was amazing, probably wont be matched in my lifetime, and maybe not ever matched.

If Lincoln Mac would not have lost to Marianetti I would have put him in the same conversation as the PSU Head Coach because he wrestled superior athletes at a very athletic weight class and won as a true freshman.

**bwh27** · 04-05-2011, 05:19 PM

I haven't watched Lincoln Mac wrestle enough to give a great evaluation, but it seems to me that he was just as good (if not better) than Cael his first two years. However, what distinguishes Cael from others is not only his consistency to maintain an unblemished record, it's the fact that he made dramatic improvements each and every season. Every wrestler does that, but for an undefeated freshman NCAA OW to become so increasingly dominant every season is pretty incredible. Also, Cael was a much better mat wrestler than McIlravy even if you factor out the higher quality opponents that a middleweight is bound to face. It's pretty pointless to defend Sanderson's supremacy as an NCAA wrestler since no one is really disputing it, but please correct me regarding anything I said about McIlravy relative to Cael because I'm not as knowledgeable about him.

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