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    Even if wrestling goes to a club system power is still held by same college people.Plus if you want to support a club system go ahead ncwa welcomes your support.

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    Default Re: Does Wrestling Need the NCAA? - A Viratas Original

    Quote Originally Posted by ogw View Post
    Even if wrestling goes to a club system power is still held by same college people.Plus if you want to support a club system go ahead ncwa welcomes your support.
    I am not talking about college club team. I am talking about real club team. I belong to a Judo club, not affliated at all with any college. We can do whatever we want with teams members - no eligibilty requirements, no amatuer status, no recruiting violations, no Title IX.

    I think this would be better for wrestling, I understand that it is not going to happen anyday soon.
    Obviously as long as the NCAA is still around, serious amatuer wrestling clubs will not gain popularity.

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    I think obviously that the NCAA name now carries a lot of value as a NAME brand to the general public.

    And I think that the notion that this body has some sort of legal jurisdiction puts it in people's minds, if not literally then conceptually, on the level of the FDA or FTC. When actually it is more on the level of the NFL enforcing rules among members instead of enforcing laws of the land. In that way I only mean to point out that schools have given away their power in order to basically create a coalition that gets them bargaining power with media outlets.

    The economic power is apparent but I think it is hypocritical to promote the welfare of the student/athlete while generating Billions & having execs that have 6-7 figure salaries while student athletes have to sign away their rights to their images in order to compete. I really can't believe that NO ONE has ever legally challenged that clause.

    And then we come to the point of what do you do when the "governing" body members deal out injustices routinely & leave groups of people disenfranchised & with no immediate recourse.

    It seems that unless our sport organizes itself into a legal force to be reckoned with then the event horizon of sport extinction looms larger in an more immediate future. Honest people have rights too but if we continue to let this railroading continue they will continuing laying track on a path not of our own choosing.

    It is a continued symptom of a culture the majority of the large businesses make their decisions not upon what is best for the all but what will create the most profit for the business regardless of the human toll & consequence. (That doesn't make me a socialist btw just a responsible entrepreneur).

    The history of fighting large corporations like the NFL & NCAA do not side with the little guy. However someone will have to decide that they are going to lead a legal battle to regain the ground lost & any other ethical & moral issues deemed a part of the fight.

    I can suggest a starting point of this website:

    Corporate Complaints - Writing a Complaint That Works | Groubal

    We could start organizing voices in order to petition the NCAA, Congress (Title IX) individual colleges etc. Just an idea.

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    My first concern is the education of our best young men. What incentive will they have for the completion of a college degree? In the same way that the NFL only picks up a small percentage of NCAA players, national and international level competition is beyond most of our current collegiate wrestlers. Even if we launch pro-wrestling, and do a better job of it this time, their education is likely their future.
    The next concern is losing fans. Besides those of us willing to spend our April downtime on forums like these, most will be left with fewer ways to be a fan. As a Professor at a MAC school, I have enjoyed the home meets, as have hundreds (sadly a small number) of students and faculty.

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    Default Re: Does Wrestling Need the NCAA? - A Viratas Original

    For anyone considering this as a real option, take a moment and read denger's post. If you are a believer that the student part of student athlete doesn't exist, then look at this: what is the minimum amount of money that any school puts into a wrestling program? Then think about the maximum amount of money any school puts into a non-NCAA sport (club). The answer to the first is probably still well over 150,000 including coaches salaries, facilities, and travel. That number will jump enormously if you include scholarships (minimum now around 350,000 per year). The answer to the second is probably 40-50,000.
    Schools do not financially support non-NCAA sports. There is little incentive to support non-NCAA sports (except for a few rare and very highly regarded historic programs, like Harvard and Yale crew teams and probably a few rugby teams where there are some really rich alums who competed) and there is NO financial return.

    The NCAA is far from perfect, but pulling out would kill the sport at the collegiate level.

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