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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Exactly, people see these slow heavies just lumbering around, and figure "$hit, I could beat him". Then they grab you and make you squeal like a girl 'cause they're just too damn big. Everyone here that has messed with the hw on their team once or twice before knows what I'm talking about (if their heavy was any good).
    Bubba Jenkins summed it up pretty well in his message to the champs video when he brought up the very salient fact that super ducks and cement mixers would in all likelihood prove to be relatively ineffective against bears (aka Zach Rey's).
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    I can't believe anyone is picking Kilgore over Rey, yall are crazy...

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    I can't believe anyone is picking Kilgore over Rey, yall are crazy...
    I agree in this particular case. But a very good 197 is capable of beating the NCAA champion heavyweight. Jake Varner over Zabriskie is an obvious recent example and I think he's strong enough to give 2011 Rey a match as well. Russia's multi-time world champ at 96kg, Gatsalov, has beaten defending world champion Makhov who makes Rey look puny by comparison. Apparently, Daniel Cormier was capable of going toe-to-toe with our heavyweights when he was the 96kg world team member for several years, and he actually beat Mocco or Rowlands in a tournament.

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    I'm not arguing that it can't be done with certain matchups, only referring to this one matchup. There is such a HUGE weight difference and given Rey's skillset, I just don't see how Kilgore can possibly score on Rey. Even if Kilgore can avoid being taken down, how does he avoid being ridden by Rey? Someone said Rey hasn't had an offensive point scored on him all season, is that true?

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    Well he got reversed to his back in OT in the EIWA finals, but it might be true other than that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bwh27 View Post
    I agree in this particular case. But a very good 197 is capable of beating the NCAA champion heavyweight. Jake Varner over Zabriskie is an obvious recent example and I think he's strong enough to give 2011 Rey a match as well. Russia's multi-time world champ at 96kg, Gatsalov, has beaten defending world champion Makhov who makes Rey look puny by comparison. Apparently, Daniel Cormier was capable of going toe-to-toe with our heavyweights when he was the 96kg world team member for several years, and he actually beat Mocco or Rowlands in a tournament.
    That's a very specific match up, though. Zabriskie was a small HWT (230-240ish?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Bubba Jenkins summed it up pretty well in his message to the champs video when he brought up the very salient fact that super ducks and cement mixers would in all likelihood prove to be relatively ineffective against bears (aka Zach Rey's).
    I think that was my favorite quote in the whole video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    That's a very specific match up, though. Zabriskie was a small HWT (230-240ish?).
    Zabriskie wasn't even 230, he was like 228. I remember ideamark sent me the weigh in sheet for the heavyweights last year at NCAA's and it seemed like almost every guy was 20 pounds lighter than they appeared to be.

    Rey was one of the heavier ones at around 265.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    That's a very specific match up, though. Zabriskie was a small HWT (230-240ish?).
    I know, but the other freestyle examples are not. We have no way of knowing how other 197's would do against big heavyweights unless they were on the same team. For example, how would Cael do against Tommy Rowlands or Mocco. I'd be surprised if he couldn't take them down at least once.

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