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Thread: 2011 Hodge Trophy: How its earned and who should win

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrong View Post
    Stats, in terms of the Hodge, point to Oliver.

    Criteria:
    1. Record
    2. Pins
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    Oliver - 9 pins
    Burroughs - 6 pins
    Robles, Reader, Russell only other undefeateds, but they fall behind in #2 criteria.

    JB was dominant, as was Oliver... but nothing says 'dominance' like a pin. And Oliver wins the #2 criteria.
    In the toughest tournament he scored the most points. Um SCORING:that wins ALL THE TIME.

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    I like how everyone other than just a couple posters want to change the criteria to fit their narrative. It's the f'ing Hodge trophy, so an undefeated record and pins are what matter. Keep navel gazing about how other things should matter all you want. Make up your own award if you like. But the Hodge is about record and pins.

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    My vote, as just about everybody on earth knows by now, was for Oliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emanblured View Post
    I think it should be Burroughs. Cause he would go for pins he just did it a different way. He used deep doubles straight to the back to try to get pins and backers. He never was satisfied with getting tech falls and majors he was always looking for the most amount of team points.
    That's true, but he didn't go after pins when he was in top position. He'd typically just let the guys up. Perhaps in his mind, he had a better chance of getting a pin from neutral than from the top. Bottom line - Jordan Oliver had more pins. As stated many times before on this thread, the Hodge award is about going undefeated and pinning.

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    Nobody was more dominant than Robles this year.

    However, if Tech Falls are not regarded highly at all(joke) then I suppose Oliver has to get it.

    For my money best Pound for pound: Burroughs, Oliver, Robles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I like how everyone other than just a couple posters want to change the criteria to fit their narrative. It's the f'ing Hodge trophy, so an undefeated record and pins are what matter. Keep navel gazing about how other things should matter all you want. Make up your own award if you like. But the Hodge is about record and pins.
    It's more then that so keep minimizing everything else if you want but that is not what the Hodge is SOLELY about....
    1. Record
    Jon Reader 39-0
    Kellen Russell 38-0
    Jordan Burroughs 36-0
    Anthony Robles 36-0
    Jordan Oliver 29-0

    2. Number of pins
    Oliver 11 (2 @ NCAAs)
    Burroughs 6
    Russell 4
    Reader 3
    Robles 2

    3. Dominance
    Total Points scored
    Burroughs 299
    Reader 262
    Russell 257
    Robles 146
    Oliver 136

    Team points scored
    Burroughs 175
    Reader 167
    Robles 167
    Oliver 139
    Russell 128

    Tech Falls

    Robles 24
    Burroughs 14
    Reader 11
    Oliver 6
    Russell 1

    Majors
    Reader 13
    Burroughs 9
    Russell 9
    Oliver 7
    Robles 5

    % of wins Bonus
    Robles 86.1
    Oliver 82.8
    Burroughs 80.1
    Reader 69.2
    Russell 36.8

    4. Past credentials
    Burroughs 3x AA 1st, 1st, 3rd, NQ
    Reader 3x AA 1st NQ 4th, 7th
    Robles 3x AA 1st, 7th, 4th, NQ
    Oliver 2x AA, 1st, 4th
    Russell 2x AA 1st, 7th NQ

    5. Quality of competition
    # wins over AAs (excluding Semis & Finals as those wrestlers are automatically AAs)
    Russell 8
    Reader 4
    Burroughs 3
    Robles 3
    Oliver 2

    wins vs Rd12 (this year excluding quarterfinals)
    Robles 12 (15)
    Russell 8 (16)
    Reader 6 (10)
    Oliver 1 (3)
    Burroughs 0 (3)

    Wins vs NQs (excluding NCAA tourney)
    Russell
    Reader
    Burroughs
    Robles
    Oliver

    Points scored @ NCAAs

    Burroughs 26.5
    Oliver 26
    Robles 24
    Reader 23
    Russell 22

    6. Sportsmanship/citizenship

    I have nothing for this category

    7. Heart
    +1 Robles = one leg
    +1 Russell = Competition, that semi vs Marion was epic
    +1 Burroughs = overcoming a season ending injury
    I think this data gives it to Burroughs hands down if for one thing & thats competition. I just wonder that if any the other 4 had faced the same amount of competition as Russell would they be undefeated? If Russell not had nearly half his matches against AAs & Rd12 guys would he have scored more bonus?

    Anyways you have good arguments for all 5 guys here but I think JB has the edge in several categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    +1 Russell = Competition, that semi vs Marion was epic
    Russell has heart because he is always in close matches and shoots once a match?

    Give some heart to Oliver for whoopin ass before the last 30 seconds of the match.
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    Metcalf won the Hodge in a year where he had one loss. Supposedly, an undefeated record is the principal criteria for Hodge consideration.

    This says to me that record and pins will not necessarily be the ONLY criteria for it this year. There does not seem to be a runaway candidate this year and because of that, Robles will win based on his record and his level of dominance, combined with his "disability". Kind of a no-brainer for me, really a one-of-a-kind situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfart View Post
    Metcalf won the Hodge in a year where he had one loss.
    Which is why I've made sure to note in my posts on this topic that the committee has been more than willing to disregard their listed criteria in the past. If they follow their listed criteria then the choice is simple, Oliver.

    I tend to agree though that Robles is going to win.
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