Flop sorry to leave you out! You're obviously more than qualified to answer my question, I just threw those names out because I know those guys know more than I do, as do you.
Yeah I doubt Oliver has been taken down very many times at all this season, 2 is a good bet. And I see what you're saying vais. I can see that 65 is a little easier to get threw than 33, but with the dominance that Oliver has displayed (And the fact that he has beaten for sure Carter and Hoch. and possibly Graff?, don't eat me alive if he hasn't wrestled Graff yet) over the season is just enough for me to go ahead and chalk him up as the Champ at 133. Seems like he is on a mission to just not lose this year.
My POV is that Howe is closer to Burroughs than anyone else is to Oliver at 33. 33 is a deeper weight class but the delta between Oliver and the rest seems to be pretty significant. Burroughs isn't that much better than Howe; I think Howe could beat him 20 to 30% of the time.
Yeah, and evidently I'M chicken feed too but I vote Oliver.
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hahahahaha how do you expect me to remember all you brainiacs?! I'm just a little ole red shirt newby trying to make some friends and keep my wrestling fix under control! goferphan even though you could choose a much better team to support I'm glad you provided your opinion!
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"If Cornell finishes ahead of Iowa with five all americans I'll jump into the Des Moines River after finals." -Herkey#1 8/16/12
I couldn't either Jensen but didn't want to seem like too much of a homer and say he's undefeated and that he hasn't given up a takedown (that counts).
Before the Big 12's I would've said Burroughs. But I watched Caldwell stall and come keep the match very close. Howe is a two time finalist and one time champ. I think he can beat Jordan five out of ten times. I know Burroughs beat him pretty good earlier this year but Howe will most likely learn from that and wrestle him differently next time.
Oliver is a man on a mission. Last year I rode him pretty hard because he seemed to back up all the time and never take a shot against the top tier guys. This year he's superman. Graff cant hang with him. I thought he couldve before I saw him wrestle Long in the Big Ten finals. Lost a lot of respect for Graffs wrestling abilities after that match. Ramos is just too small. However Ramos has as good a chance as anyone in the weight class of beating Oliver. I'd say around 10ish percent. Long is a returning runner up and is a guy that bangs out wins against the best guys. I was shocked when he beat Escobedo last year. Long could do it but I think Ramos will beat him so Long won't get the chance.
Oliver is my Lead Pipe Lock for champion this year.
BTW, I'm honored to be mentioned in the same group with JensenS.
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These two are clearly the studs of the tourney, along with (in my opinion) Taylor. These three just may help get us back to a competitive level on the international scene when they get to that point.