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    Yes, I hear any change in terrain can be very disorienting to those plain-states folks. Actually, I like driving through the eastern part of Iowa where is gets rolling a bit.
    2 years from now, Iowa at Penn State. All those frosh will be juniors. Should be epic...

    2 years from now Nationals will be in Des Moines. Cant wait for a battle in my home town.

    It should be a battle between the two teams for years to come.
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    Minnesota and.....
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    I would have thought that Wright might have got "Outstanding Moment" (though I can't say I've ever heard of such an award except at the ESPY's) rather than OW, but good for him I suppose.


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    I simply can't agree with the arguments for Brands being the COY.

    When picking the "x of the Year", or "Most Outstanding x", we tend to pick the one who had the most success rather than the one who "did the most with the least".

    For example, David Taylor was freshman of the year because he had the most successful season, not because he "did the most with the least", like Brands did. There are other freshman in the conference who probably outperformed their expectations more than Taylor did, it wasn't exactly a surprise that Taylor would come in as a stud.
    Exactly. Recruiting is part of being an outstanding coach. Thus far in their careers, Brands has easily been the superior coach to Cael overall as measured by success. Through the Big Ten tournament, Cael deserves to be coach of the year by that same metric (by a hair). If Brands loses NCAAs this season with less heralded freshmen than Cael then you don't give him Coach of the Year for coming close with less talent. Brands could have the best recruiting class in the country the next five years convincing Kudukhov, Tsargush and Makhov to come wrestle for Iowa - and if Cael comes in a close 2nd with the 20th best recruiting class then you still give the award to Brands most of the time (for the sake of argument disregarding the fact that they alternate the award so a coach can't win it more than once every 4-5 years). If we awarded coach of the year for doing the most with the least talent than Tom Borrelli would have won it over the NCAA champion coach who had a few #1 recruiting classes. There's a difference between who deserves Coach of the Year and who we deem to be the best coach, for better or worse that's the case for all sports. For example, if Derrick Rose wins the MVP this season, he still won't be a better player than Lebron.

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    Exactly. Recruiting is part of being an outstanding coach. Thus far in their careers, Brands has easily been the superior coach to Cael overall as measured by success. Through the Big Ten tournament, Cael deserves to be coach of the year by that same metric (by a hair). If Brands loses NCAAs this season with less heralded freshmen than Cael then you don't give him Coach of the Year for coming close with less talent. Brands could have the best recruiting class in the country the next five years convincing Kudukhov, Tsargush and Makhov to come wrestle for Iowa - and if Cael comes in a close 2nd with the 20th best recruiting class then you still give the award to Brands most of the time (for the sake of argument disregarding the fact that they alternate the award so a coach can't win it more than once every 4-5 years). If we awarded coach of the year for doing the most with the least talent than Tom Borrelli would have won it over the NCAA champion coach who had a few #1 recruiting classes. There's a difference between who deserves Coach of the Year and who we deem to be the best coach, for better or worse that's the case for all sports. For example, if Derrick Rose wins the MVP this season, he still won't be a better player than Lebron.
    Recruiting is part of winning not part of coaching. In college the better you recruit the more you win in all sports. If you look up coaching in the dictionary there is nothing about recruiting. Being a great coach and a great recruiter are two totally different things. Both of these things are necessary for being a great winner.

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    I am enjoying JensenS's comments about Quentin Wright's weak mind

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    Hard to believe Q-Dub made it to the finals, maybe he's worked past some of his "personal" (as alluded to by others) issues.


    He alludes in this interview about said issues.....

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