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    Just got done watching the replay...

    125: Knew that this was going to be a tough place to start the dual off and to be completely honest as far as I'm concerned Sanders did his job here by not giving up the bonus points. McDonough just sits as about the worst possible style match up for Sanders. Too big, in too good a shape, too good on top. As I watched I wondered what you've got to look for if you're Sanders in terms of formulating a strategy. Does he stay on his horse, avoid the ties ups and look for his duck unders when McDonough tries to get hold of him (thereby sacrificing any shot of getting to legs) or does he stay in tight and try and tie McDonough up and try to keep it low scoring? In my mind the first option probably gives him the best chance to win, but even employing that tactic its probably a slim one.

    133: Not quite as much to say here about this match up as things went more or less exactly as I expected them to. Both guys came out and scrapped all 7, and right now Ramos is just the better wrestler. Great hips by Ramos defending the three or four leg attacks that Thorn got in deep on.

    141: Tough way to drop a match here, but I suppose given the history that these two have had with one another that it was Marion's turn. It seemed to me like Thorn got kind of anxious during the hand fighting (was doing a lot of ineffective reaching) before Marion came out and hit the dump for his TD. Great job by Marion controlling Thorn's top hand and not allowing him to lock his claw in while trying to ride out, and then creating the scramble that allowed him to get out.

    149: Zilverburg came out here and got the win in a toss up match that the Gophers desperately needed at the time. I worried coming in about Ballweg's countering ability but thought Zilverburg's ability to cut the corner quick on his singles would neutralize it, but he didn't do it on his first shot and Ballweg rubber kneed it and scored. Strong work on top in the third to send it to OT, and then did a great job not wasting any time and winning it early.

    157: Didn't come in expecting much here, and wound up getting what I expected with a bumped up 141 in Mincey wrestling a big 157 who is really starting to see things come together for him both results wise and just stylistically in St. John. Nice job by St. John using a variety of set ups here to get to that single to the left leg that he likes including one off a really nice elbow pass.

    165: Huge job by Cody Yohn coming out here and trying to get the momentum back. Was aggressive (but not effective) in the hand fighting and attempting to get to his offense in the first period. Then did a great job setting up and going to the tilt at the beginning of the second that won him the match. Kind of lost his handle on the match late as Jannsen was the guy dictating things in the third, but at this point with all the momentum against his team Yohn did well to come away with the win.

    174: All guts by Scott Glasser and the exact type of "just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" type match that he's wrestled countless times over the course of his career and that I predicted that he would do coming in here. Very nice reshot double by Lofthouse to score the first TD. Glasser just wouldn't be denied during the third period.

    184: I've read some accounts from Iowa fans who were absolutely apoplectic about the stalling call on Gambrall so early in the third period, but it seemed to me like it came about as a continuation of Gambrall being on his horse for the last :30 seconds of the prior period. Every big match that Steinhaus wins this year just amazes me given that he came out of high school as a lightly recruited 160 pounder. He's been a ton of fun to watch this year and I'm really looking forward to watching him progress over the next three years.

    197: I wish I could say that this match was disappointing to me, but with as well as Lofthouse has been wrestling and the fact that it was only Yohn's second match back after being on the shelf for six weeks I didn't expect a win here. Yohn wrestled well, for about 4:30. It seemed like attempting to hold Lofthouse down after he sat the corner and got that TD really took a lot out of him. After that flurry it seemed like it was just going to be a matter of "when." Glad that his knee appeared to be alright after he banged it trying to defend that shot with about 1:00 to go.

    285: All in all I felt pretty good about how the matches went in this dual (even the losses) up until this point. I've talked about how Nelson's power based offense has been ineffective at times against big heavyweights this year, and you won't find a heavyweight in the country bigger than Blake Rasing. Laid his head flat on the mat from :50-:38 after giving up the TD.
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    Nice recap. Great dual, the place was really rocking after the Yohn, Glasser, Steinhaus matches. With Sonny and Nelson losing I will not make any "If this had happened" excuses. Iowa deserved the win and Congrats to them.

    I realize Nelson is the hwt of the future and will likely have a great career, but he really needs to pick up the action. I know Raising dwarfed him but he should be doing all he can to get the major/pin...unlikely as either would have been.

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    Raising looked like an oak tree next to Nelson. Nelson looked like he wasn't going to be doing anything with anyone that big anytime soon.

    Also JRob certainly has seen his share of good wrestlers in his program getting hurt. I wonder if he is maybe pushing the kids too hard. Yohn was looking like a replay of DS last year.

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    JensenS, I wondered if Sanders could come up with a strategy to defeat McDonough, too, and I think he needs to avoid the tie ups. I don't remember Sanders taking any shots during the match - it was all McDonough-so I think if Sanders is ever going to beat McDonough, he's going to have to avoid tying up and just take shot after shot. Of course, on the over hand, listening to the Iowa boys as they won and came off the mats told me a lot about how Brands coaches these kids. They were never satisfied with what they'd done. They knew that even though they'd won, they had more work to do. By contrast, it always bothers me when Cael Sanderson says that all he wants is for his guys to have fun out there. I would agree with him if fun means kicking the other team's ass and working like a banshee to get a pin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by german663 View Post
    JensenS, I wondered if Sanders could come up with a strategy to defeat McDonough, too, and I think he needs to avoid the tie ups. I don't remember Sanders taking any shots during the match - it was all McDonough-so I think if Sanders is ever going to beat McDonough, he's going to have to avoid tying up and just take shot after shot. Of course, on the over hand, listening to the Iowa boys as they won and came off the mats told me a lot about how Brands coaches these kids. They were never satisfied with what they'd done. They knew that even though they'd won, they had more work to do. By contrast, it always bothers me when Cael Sanderson says that all he wants is for his guys to have fun out there. I would agree with him if fun means kicking the other team's ass and working like a banshee to get a pin.
    Precin can formulate a strategy because he is physically capable of executing it. Sanders is so small and McD is so huge it's not a matter of just developing a strategy, you have to be physically able to carry it out. Precin has shown to be a much better hand fighter and position wrestler than Sanders in addition to being pretty darn strong.

    However, I will have to concede that Sanders Headlock defense is a lot better than Precin's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Precin can formulate a strategy because he is physically capable of executing it. Sanders is so small and McD is so huge it's not a matter of just developing a strategy, you have to be physically able to carry it out. Precin has shown to be a much better hand fighter and position wrestler than Sanders in addition to being pretty darn strong.

    However, I will have to concede that Sanders Headlock defense is a lot better than Precin's.
    I thought they were both 125 lbs? Doesn't matter whether its a 125 lbs of feathers or 125 lbs of hammers. That being said, McDonough is LONG, can match Sanders motor and is wirey strong. Its just a bad match-up. I would agree his only chance is not tying up, getting an early takedown and making McDonough have to choose neutral in the third period by getting a lead on him. Will it happen? Doubtfully. We can always hope that McDonough goes up next year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    I thought they were both 125 lbs? Doesn't matter whether its a 125 lbs of feathers or 125 lbs of hammers. That being said, McDonough is LONG, can match Sanders motor and is wirey strong. Its just a bad match-up. I would agree his only chance is not tying up, getting an early takedown and making McDonough have to choose neutral in the third period by getting a lead on him. Will it happen? Doubtfully. We can always hope that McDonough goes up next year!
    If you fail to recognize the size disparity and the issues it creates for Zach then I don't think there is any point in discussing this further with one another.

    How much do you think McD would have to be down for him to take neutral? I think you're reaching a bit.
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    Why would McDonough have to choose neutral? Sanders has never shown an ability to ride him.
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    I guess my point is if you are down in points (McDonough) going in to the third period, you might not want to give up even 10-15 seconds of the period trying to get away. It could also be perhaps that if McDonough had some riding time around 1:00 he wouldn't want to lose that riding time point by going down.

    My point is that Sanders has a better chance of winning by getting an early takedown and then keep the match on his feet if he can and hope he gets McDonough to have to force something at the end on his feet and be ready to capitalize. With there only being three choices (top, bottom, neutral) I would guess if Sanders had a lead and was going in to the third period, he would be happy not to go down against McDonough. McDonough wears him out on top and he has nothing left for the third period.
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