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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    He's going down to Thorn at least once.
    Between Kennedey, Thorn, Alton and Marion, the Big Ten will be a meat grinder. It's hard to tell after just one match but it seems that maybe Marion has his head in a different place than he did last year. Those other three guys are very tough though and he'll have to be on top of his game.
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    I think if Thorn and Marion meet twice they will split. My preference is to win at conferences.
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    I haven't seen the TV replay so I don't know what you can hear on it but @ 133 Brands was yelling instructions the entire match, more then others. So much so the PSU fans were yelling @ him to sit down. He was encouraging Tony to keep slapping Long's head & face & I think that initially really bothered Long as no one had done something like that to him. Brands kept yelling "Do this Ramos" "Do that Ramos" I have to say I think it gets in the head of the opponent as much as it might be instructional for his guy.

    @ 141 when the guys went off the Iowa side of the mat Brands was on the mat yelling "He can't keep up with you! He can't keep up with you!" Sometimes that is all it takes is a little acknowledgment & agreement. Everyone saw it was true. And you wondered if Andrew was gonna suck it up.

    I also have to wonder that after putting Marion on his back & bringing the crowd to their feet that maybe Alton thought that he had won the match right there. Sometimes it is a real mental challenge to keep wrestling hard if you think you had already won & are stuck on that.

    @ 149 I didn't realize that it was lil Ballweg he wrestled. That tmakes his win even more disappointing for the lack of bonus IMO.

    @ 165 I think that Janssen looked pretty tough & I wouldn't be surprised if he actually AAed this year. He looks like he has the tools to take on just about anyone not named Howe of Burroughs @ that weight.

    @ 174 I am actually more curious to hear from someone who has seen both Ed's wins over Lewnes & Henrich AND Reader's win over Lewnes. Where would you put the 2 now as on paper Ed's win looks more dominating.

    @ 184 as a PSU fan you just have to be frustrated with Q's performance all year. I am starting to think that NOT going to Budapest was a mistake. He could have used that stiffer competition. Gambrall made QW look like he was over-matched & not the guy who hammered GG last summer.

    All this being said PSU was 2 TDs away from winning this or @ least a ref's hand slap from tying it. The 1st thing the coaches can control. The 2nd no one can. Iowa had been there before & looked like it. Cael needs to take a page out of Gable's or Brands book & get those guys "Hawkeye tough" but in his own way.

    Both teams are young so they will be seeing a lot of each other the next few years. We'll see if the PSU squad learns to get up from a punch in the mouth & more importantly punch back.

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    I am not a fan of "wrestler x beat wrestler y by xx amount so he should beat wrestler z by x amount". After seeing both matches, and although the scores in the two matches were much different I felt Lewnes was beaten just/nearly as soundly by Reader as he was by Ruth.Comparing Reader and Ruth, Reader looked to be more physical, balanced, and technically solid, while Ruth looked faster and slicker. Stylistically, Reader seems to have morphed a little bit into an Andrew Howe type and the bump up in weight seems to be a really good move for him.

    As of now I would put Reader above Ruth but the gap between the two seems pretty close to me and I think it would be a pretty interesting match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    Between Kennedey, Thorn, Alton and Marion, the Big Ten will be a meat grinder. It's hard to tell after just one match but it seems that maybe Marion has his head in a different place than he did last year. Those other three guys are very tough though and he'll have to be on top of his game.
    Did Kellen Russell move out of the Big Ten?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobigred View Post
    Did Kellen Russell move out of the Big Ten?
    Ha. For some reason it crossed my mind as I was driving home today that I forgot to mention him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Finally got the chance to watch the rebroadcast of Iowa v. Penn State last night, for some reason my DVR spent the first half hour recording some B10 Legends broadcast (probably screwed up in setting it) so all I saw was the first seven weights. It cut off just as Gambrall was finishing his first TD against the weak minded one.

    Nothing you did Jensen. The BB game before that went into OT or something so the BIG 10 Network just pushed all programming back 30min.

    125: McD went out and did what he was supposed to do. He did a nice job going to that dump a couple of times to pick up TD's, not really a move I'd seen him hit a lot in the past. Have always loved the step over the legs and walk to the head cradle that he finished the match with.

    We agree at 125.

    133: I actually watched this match twice because I was trying to figure out what Ramos was doing in order to stay away from Long's underhook. Still don't really know what he was doing. He had a heavy lead with his left side, but its just hard to believe that that was all it would take after watching Long get to his underhook so effortlessly against everyone (including McDonough) last year. Long didn't look as bad as people painted him out, I expected him to be listless. He took a lot of shots, just couldn't finish them.

    133- Like I said in my post Ramos keeps really good position which I think frustrated Long. Every match I have seen Ramos wrestle he has done this. I think Long was thinking by shooting a bunch of shots Ramos would lose his position which he didn't. Ramos did a great job because I thought Long was the better wrestler going into the match. Ramos might make some noise this year if he keeps it up.

    141: I mentioned to Zapp last night that I find the fact that people are using this match as some kind of indictment of Cael Sanderson's coaching ability to be pretty ridiculous given that Andrew Alton is a true freshman wrestling the defending NCAA finalist to an 11-9 match. Had Mike Evans come out of RS and wrestled Mack Lewnes to a match like that I can't imagine those same people would be trying to say that demonstrated Brands was deficient as a coach. Moving on to the match. First off, Marion WAS NOT pinned. Alton definitely gassed but this was the first match we've seen him have anything even resembling issues. Marion did a great job keeping him off balance from the beginning. Usually Alton is the guy controlling the hand fighting but he seemed jumpy from the beginning here

    141- I think Marion is the better wrestler last night although AA look good. I do think the atmosphere and pre match jitters got to AA. I think Marion wins this matchup 10 out of 10 but that is the 1st I have seen AA wrestle a quality opponent this year. Marion looks like a man on a mission which I hope he continues. I do think throws are a really low percentage move so if I were Cael I would encourage shooting quality TD's instead. Cael just needs to coach him up some which I think he will. I don't blame this on Cael at all.

    149: Molinaro had the major when he got the TD for 9-2 but then went and got greedy. Mark Ballweg did a great job wrestling hard over that last minute and thereby saving the bonus point. While watching early I wondered why he was forcing the ride on top when he was getting easy TD's. Although I have the same thought when watching a lot of guys.

    149- We agree here. Not sure why he would continue the ride when he knew bonus points were needed.

    157: Dominant performance by Taylor and it speaks to his progression just over the last six or seven months that he was able to do this to a guy that he split matches with over the summer. Since his demolition of Paul Young in the Scuffle finals he's kind of struggled in terms of getting backs, but he's so good on his feet now (wonder where he gets that from?) that it hasn't hurt him. As for the other things that people have talked about relating to this match, Taylor definitely caught a finger to the eye the first time he called for injury time in the third period. The second time you couldn't tell since the ref was in the way. Most overrated exchange of "shoves" ever at the end of the match. Reading testimonies from both sides I expected something a lot more blatant than the little nudge each guy gave the other one.

    157- what can you say other than DT is really good right now. All that extra pushing ect was dumb. DSJ will need to get mentally tougher if we wants to compete with DT. DT will own him if he doesn't get his mind right and work harder. DT is the man right now!

    165: Just a solid win by Aaron Jannsen, similar to 125 this is what you expected to happen here. Don't really know anything else to say.

    165- agreed

    174: Ed Ruth continues to be brutally effective at finishing once he gets to legs. Did a nice job defending too on the few times that Lofthouse got in on his legs. Similar to Mark Ballweg, Lofthouse did a nice job keeping Ruth tied up in the third period to save the bonus point.
    174- Remember this is the 1st time I had watched Ruth wrestle. The reason I made the comment about Ruth was because all the PSU fans were saying he was a world beater. Ruth is better than EL but I just expected him to destroy EL going off what I had been told by PSU fans. No question Ruth is a force at 174.

    184- we will have to disagree as I think QW has a mental issue right now. I don't know how people don't see it that way but whatever. By reading Cael's quotes about that match I think he is telling QW he needs to get mentally tougher as well. KR out of all people says he doesn't think it is QW arm that is the problem which just solidifies my thought about QW. It isn't an attack on him personally just an opinion of that match I seen. Troy Nickerson had a shattered shoulder and kicked ass. He is what I call mentally tough. I remember standing up and clapping for him last year after he was finished wrestling in Omaha because that kid was a warrior.

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    PSU trying to come to terms with Iowa loss - Sports | Centre Daily Times
    Sanderson pinned part of the loss — his seventh in two years at Penn State — on himself

    “I really got outcoached in a couple of those key matches where they had a pretty good strategy,” Sanderson said. “They slowed our guys down and kind of let us wear ourselves out and capitalize on the mistakes.”


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    Sometimes I think Cael thinks about it too much. I don't think the strategy was wear the guy down and then take advantage late in the match. I think it was keep up the pace and outwrestle him the whole match. It's certainly what Marion did except for one big move and Ramos outwrestled Long too. He didnt shoot as much but he never does. Why shoot ten times and get one takedown? When Ramos shoots, he gets the takedown most of the time. I don't think it was the strategy for the meet, just the way these guys wrestle. More of a philosophy.
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