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    David Thorn beat Ramos in their only career meeting, this past summer in freestyle. Given the fact that Thorn is still getting his feet under him after missing the first half and Ramos' success this year you definitely favor Ramos, but the result is interesting at least in my eyes.

    As to being "sure" about Marion taking 141, Thorn was 2-1 against him last year recording bonus points in both his wins and he's been everyone not named Kellen Russell all season. Where you stand on that match probably comes down to which fan base you hold closer allegiance to.
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    Thorn and Marion will be a good one. Thorn is a legit title contender this year and obviously so is Marion. I have not watched Thorn at all this year but I'm sure he's improved. I only have one match to base my opinion of Marion on and he looked good in that one. If he wrestles like that I'd say he'd be hard to beat, but Thorn would be one of few to be able to do it.
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    125: Matt McDonough MDEC Zach Sanders----After one close match, McDonough just housed Sanders twice, and I don't see it changing.

    133: Tony Ramos DEC David Thorn----Ramos has come a long way at 133, and I think he takes this fairly comfortably, but I would have predicted worse if I hadn't heard about the FS result.

    141: Montell Marion DEC Mike Thorn----Thorn has had a very good season, but if Montell shows up wrestling like he did after Alton's throw, he looked like a total monster. Both guys were inconsistent last year, but Thorn has shown he's ironed that out, I think/hope Montell has as well. I just think Montell's A game is better than Thorn's.

    149: Mark Ballweg DEC Danny ZIlverburg----I was expecting big things from Zilverburg and not much from Ballweg (at 141), and got the opposite for both. ZIlverburg hasn't transferred over his Freestyle success to Folkstyle badassery, but he will have a size advantage. Overall, Zilverburg doesn't have the same types of advantage that Molinaro had over Ballweg, and I think Ballweg pulls off a slight upset.

    157: Derek St. John MDEC Joe Grygelko----Think the beating from Taylor will light a fire under DSJ...not enough to be a threat to the top guys, but enough to blow out the lower tier guys.

    165: Cody Yohn DEC Aaron Janssen----CLose match, but I see Yohn winning.

    174: Ethen Lofthouse DEC Scott Glasser----Glasser's a flake.

    184: Kevin Steinhaus DEC Grant Gambrall----Both strong, tough guys, but I think Steinhaus has proven himself just a bit better.

    197: Sonny Yohn DEC Luke Lofthouse----Close match where Luke can't finish shots and Sonny's riding makes the big difference.

    HWT: Tony Nelson DEC Blake Rasing----Despite improvements, Rasing doesn't have great technique. He does have a shot of an upset since Nelson depends a lot on strength and Blake is huge and very strong.

    Final Score: Iowa 20, Minnesota 12.

    Lots of close matches that can go either way, the score could be wildly different than my prediction.
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    "174: Ethen Lofthouse DEC Scott Glasser----Glasser's a flake."

    Not entirely untrue, granted but he's a 56-18 flake the last two years. I'm gonna need more than that to give you that match but that was pretty funny. Most likely to me the biggest toss-up in this dual outside of Thorn/Marion. The more I think of this dual the more I look forward to it and I agree, if some momentum gets built up early with one of these teams, it could possibly not be very close but I still think this comes down to the heavyweight match and isn't that what its all about?
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    You don't have to "give" me the match. We'll see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    Thorn and Marion will be a good one. Thorn is a legit title contender this year and obviously so is Marion. I have not watched Thorn at all this year but I'm sure he's improved. I only have one match to base my opinion of Marion on and he looked good in that one. If he wrestles like that I'd say he'd be hard to beat, but Thorn would be one of few to be able to do it.
    Thorn is tough as hell, but I like Marion here personally. Marion has wrestled far better competition the first half of the season working with Metcalf, and I think that is showed when he broke Alton. As hard as he worked that match to comeback he wasnt even winded running off the mat after the win and his offense was relentless on his feet.

    My Predictions are

    McD by dec
    Ramos by dec
    Marion by dec
    Ballweg by dec
    DSJ by dec
    Janssen by dec
    Glasser by dec
    Gambrall by dec
    Yohn by dec
    Nelson or Ben by dec

    So that gives Iowa the win 21 - 9. Of course I gave Iowa all the swing matches, but I like Iowas chances in those matches. The home crowd for Minnesota isnt going to affect the Hawks if the Penn State crowd didnt affect them. I think that they are wrestling at a very high level right now and only focused on the task at hand.

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    125-McD-wbm
    133-Ramos wbd
    141-Marion wbd
    149-Ballweg wbd
    157-St.John wbm
    165-Yohn wbd
    174-Lofthouse wbd
    184 -Steinhaus wbd
    197-Yohn wbd
    285 Berhow wbd----20-12 Iowa

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    Looks like most people think that little Lofthouse wins and that McD and St. John pick up bonus. I can definitely see both of those happening. I guess in this sense Gophers need an upset somewhere along the way or they need both of their higher ranked wrestlers at 141 and 174 to win. Interesting that the dual could have so many win streaks in it with basically Iowa dominating early and Minnesota making a charge early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback_5 View Post
    Thorn is tough as hell, but I like Marion here personally. Marion has wrestled far better competition the first half of the season working with Metcalf, and I think that is showed when he broke Alton. As hard as he worked that match to comeback he wasnt even winded running off the mat after the win and his offense was relentless on his feet.

    My Predictions are

    McD by dec
    Ramos by dec
    Marion by dec
    Ballweg by dec
    DSJ by dec
    Janssen by dec
    Glasser by dec
    Gambrall by dec
    Yohn by dec
    Nelson or Ben by dec

    So that gives Iowa the win 21 - 9. Of course I gave Iowa all the swing matches, but I like Iowas chances in those matches. The home crowd for Minnesota isnt going to affect the Hawks if the Penn State crowd didnt affect them. I think that they are wrestling at a very high level right now and only focused on the task at hand.
    I respect everyone's opinion as if they truly believe what they right, then its all good with me. The only thing that I might find a little debate on is that the Penn State crowd and Williams Arena in Minnesota are going to be FAR different venues. Williams is where they play basketball, not the normal Pavilion and I believe it holds 14,625 fans. Its gonna be a tad bit louder in there than in Penn State and I think the Gophers are used to being in big matches.

    All that being said, after what Iowa did to Penn State, I won't argue that anything can't happen.

    I think it will be a tad closer with a couple of possible surprise bonus matches.
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