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    Here it is folks:

    Mcd wbd Sanders-3-0 Iowa-Zach able to get a takedown on Mcd that keeps it out of Major city.
    Ramos wbd Thorn-6-0 Iowa
    Marion wbd Thorn 9-0 Iowa
    Zilverburg wbd Ballweg-9-3 Iowa
    DSJ wmd Mincey 13-3-If DSJ comes out firing bonus should not be a question. If he gets lethargic it will be a frustrating 5 point win.
    Jannsen wbd Yohn 16-3-Yohn has lots of momentum coming into this one, but I like AJ on the mat and to get a few TD's.
    Lofthouse WBD Glasser-19-3-Not that hot on this one.
    Steinhaus wbd GG 19-6-Steinhaus might give GG problems from top. RT might be the difference.
    LL WBD Yohn-22-6-I originally had Yohn but this will only be his 2nd match back and LL is looking like a different guy. I think LL gets on Yohns legs a bunch and manages a td and will get out from bottom.
    Nelson WBD Rasing-22-9-No guarantees other than boredom.

    Much closer than score would indicate as I took quite a few upsets. I just like the way the hawks are wrestling(not that the gophers have been shabby) and think they pull out the most 50/50's.

    Like Zapp I can see 41,65,74,84,97 and 285 going either way. Reminds me of Okey st. dual with so many matches that could go either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    No, Gof is right, Nelson broke Berhow's will. Berhow is mentally weak.
    Intermat: On whether he considered using Ben Berhow against Cameron Wade ...

    J Robinson: "We thought about it... yeah it makes a difference in the dual..."

    J acknowledging that he's starting Nelson because he needs the experience for Big Tens/Nationals and that the tournaments are more important than winning the duals.

    125) McD majors Sanders 0-4
    133) Ramos dec Thorn 0-7
    141) Thorn dec Marion 3-7
    149) Zberg dec whoever 6-7
    157) St John dec Mincey 6-10
    165) Yohn dec Janssen 9-10
    174) Lofthouse dec Glasser 9-13
    184 KS dec Gambrall 12-13
    197) Yohn dec Lofthouse 15-13
    hvy) Rasing dec Nelson 15-16

    or Berhow gets a Cortisone shot and limps out
    hvy) Berhow dec Rasing 18-13

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    McD Major 4-0 Iowa
    Little Thorn dec 4-3 Iowa
    Thorn dec 6-4 Minnesota
    Zilverberg dec 9-4 Minnesota
    St. John major 9-8 Minnesota
    Janssen dec 11-9 Iowa
    Lofthouse dec Glasser 14-9 Iowa
    Steinhaus dec 14- 12 Iowa
    Yohn major 16- 14 Minnesota
    Nelson dec 19-14 Minnesota
    The streak has to stop eventually, looks like this may be the weekend. 33 and 41 are must gets for Minn

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    I think Minny gets this one.

    McD dec Sanders 3-0 Iowa
    Thorn dec Ramos 3-3
    Thorn dec Marion 6-3 Minny
    Zilverberg dec Ballweg 9-3 Minny
    St John dec Mincy 9-6 Minny
    Yohn dec Janssen 12-6 Minny
    Glasser dec Lofthouse 15-6 Minny
    Steinhaus dec Gramball 18-6 Minny
    Yohn dec Lofthouse 21 -6 Minny
    Nelson dec Raising 24-6 Minny

    Toss-ups 133, 141, 174 Give them all to Iowa = 15 to 15 tie

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    How on planet Earth is 133 a toss up? David Thorn is unranked and Ramos is 10th at worst in any rankings, and Ramos beat Long who just majored Thorn. Yoh and Janssen are ranked 9th and 10th by TOM, the definition of a toss up. E. Lofthouse is actually ranked above Glasser (by one spot). Yohn and L. Lofthouse are ranked 7th and 4th, another toss up. Steinhaus and Gambrall are ranked 8th and 10th, another toss up(although I expect Steinhause to win). But most importantly, 133 definitely doesn't qualify as a toss-up.
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    I don't think you can call 133 a toss up either. Ramos as earned the right this year to be called the favorite here. I do give D Thorn a punchers chance though as he is capable of some big moves and does not back down from anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    How on planet Earth is 133 a toss up? David Thorn is unranked and Ramos is 10th at worst in any rankings, and Ramos beat Long who just majored Thorn. Yoh and Janssen are ranked 9th and 10th by TOM, the definition of a toss up. E. Lofthouse is actually ranked above Glasser (by one spot). Yohn and L. Lofthouse are ranked 7th and 4th, another toss up. Steinhaus and Gambrall are ranked 8th and 10th, another toss up(although I expect Steinhause to win). But most importantly, 133 definitely doesn't qualify as a toss-up.
    Ratings aren't everything. I think Ramos/Thorn is a good match up for Thorn. Ramos out hustled Long and gassed him. He won't be able to gas Thorn. Ramos is also a little undersized for 133, and Thorn will be able to out-muscle him and have success with his "wild" style.

    IMO Janssen & Luke Lofthouse are both over-rated which is why they aren't toss ups. And Steinhaus is under-rated so his match isn't a toss up either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckvader View Post
    Ratings aren't everything. I think Ramos/Thorn is a good match up for Thorn. Ramos out hustled Long and gassed him. He won't be able to gas Thorn. Ramos is also a little undersized for 133, and Thorn will be able to out-muscle him and have success with his "wild" style.

    IMO Janssen & Luke Lofthouse are both over-rated which is why they aren't toss ups. And Steinhaus is under-rated so his match isn't a toss up either.
    What makes you think that Ramos can't gas Thorn? He gassed Long, who is tougher, more aggressive, and has a larger gas tank than Thorn does.

    Yeah, I do think that little Thorn as a chance. But so does Sanders over McDonough, or Ballweg over Zilverburg. AKA not likely.

    Nobody cares about these predictions (and especially mine), but I'd like this to be here so if I'm right, or at least damn close, I get some cred.

    125: Kinda hard to root against McD getting the major as he did it twice last year, and knows how critically important the bonus point is. Sanders knows the same thing too, so if he goes out to lose a decision, I think he can prevent McDonough from scoring the major. However, Sanders is not the type of wrestler who would ever go out to lose, so I think McDonough just outwrestles him, plain and simple, and secures the major. 4-0 IOWA

    133: Zapp, D Thorn did crack the top 20 this week on wrestlingreport (#20). Hard to call this a tossup, since Ramos has proved himself this year. Close, low scoring match with Ramos scoring the deciding takedown. 7-0 IOWA

    141: Obviously a huge match, both for the dual and postseason. I expect to see Marion come out aggressive and score at least once on the feet against Thorn. However, Thorn *should* pull this out, based on last years results, and the fact Thorn is a senior and this is his last match in Minnesota. Tossup that would go to Iowa if the match were in Iowa. 7-3 IOWA

    149: Not much to say except that Zilverburg looked damn impressive against Molinaro. I'm curious which Ballweg wrestles here, but I don't think it makes a difference. Zilverburg wins a comfortable decision. 7-6 IOWA

    157: St. John looks like he got over the mental hump and is wrestling very well after a pitiful job at Midlands. Looks like Brands and co straightened him out. Mincey did a good job fighting off the pin against Taylor, but he has little chance against the #6 ranked guy in the country, and St. John just dominated a very good Paul Young. If St. John goes for the major, he should get it. 11-6 IOWA

    165: Big, big match. Both guys are damn evenly matched. I've seen Janssen one spot ahead of Yohn, and Yohn one spot ahead of Janssen. However, Janssen gets the nod. He's simply on fire this year, and knows how to win matches for Iowa when he has too. Look no further than both Iowa vs Iowa St. duals last year where he beat ranked Andrew Sorenson in pivotal swing matches (twice) that brought home the dual for Iowa. 14-6 IOWA

    174: Another big match, and although I usually think you have to give it to the senior at home in his final match in Minnesota, Glasser has recently dropped close matches to guys ranked right around him. Still, Glasser is a good wrestler, and a senior wrestling his final match at home in Minnesota. If he didn't drop those decisions to Ben Jordan and Justin Zeerip, I would have predicted him to win. But he did, so I think Ethen Lofthouse wins a close match. Plus, Glasser is not the kind of guy you want to rely on if you are Minnesota. The dual is all but sealed here. 17-6 IOWA

    184: Steinhaus is just getting better and better. Gambrall is no pushover, but if you watch the matches between Wright and Steinhaus, and then Wright and Gambrall, Steinhaus is just better. Not much better, but better. Scary that he is just a freshman. 17-9 IOWA

    197: I really don't see this one going to Iowa either. Yohn looked strong against Penn St, and assuming he is back in the lineup he really is a top 5 guy. Little possibility for bonus, but Yohn should cruise to a decision against Uncle Luke. 17-12 IOWA

    285: Tony Nelson's athletic ability is too much for Rasing to handle. Won't matter too much, as the dual is already all but sealed for Iowa. I haven't followed big 10 heavys enough to be sure, but does this match determine #2 and #3 seeds for the tournament? Or did Rasing (or Nelson) lose some other B10 matches? Anyway, Nelson will need a miracle to get the fall and pull out the win for Minnesota. 17-15 IOWA

    As much as I want Minnesota to win, they're going to need either C Yohn or Glasser to come through big. Unfortunately, Glasser is not the type of guy you want to rely on to get a huge win, and it's damn hard to root against a guy as consistently good as Jannsen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckvader View Post
    Ratings aren't everything. I think Ramos/Thorn is a good match up for Thorn. Ramos out hustled Long and gassed him. He won't be able to gas Thorn. Ramos is also a little undersized for 133, and Thorn will be able to out-muscle him and have success with his "wild" style.

    IMO Janssen & Luke Lofthouse are both over-rated which is why they aren't toss ups. And Steinhaus is under-rated so his match isn't a toss up either.

    So in the so called toss up matches, all the Hawks are over rated and the gopher are under rated. You also think that Ramos will be outmuscled even though he was not by a much larger Long. Also you think that minnesota's "wild style" trumps the Iowa Style.

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