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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiltz View Post
    I'm a realest kr and I didn't expect the to wrestle as well @ Happy Valley. If it was @ CHA I would have predicted todays outcome. so I was a little surprised they did as well as they did.
    See thats manning up & I appreciate that. You owned up to being incorrect in your evaluation & b/c of that I believe you when you say that if it had been @ HCA you would have called it the other way. ME? I rarely go off of analytical data & go off my gut. So despite what my mind was trying to tell me I just trusted my gut. Whereas Zapp didn't own up to it & immediately made fun of someone for doing what he did. Insert EYE ROLLAGE here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    No Zapp you are pretty wrong on this on all counts. You can ask Vais. I have been talking to him saying Iowa would win & why. Just calling as I was seeing it. Where you obviously couldn'tt see & make fun of others who did exactly what you did. I think that would qualify you as Village Idiot in most books...
    KR did tell me a few times that he thought MM and GG would win their matches. I made very safe predictions and didnt go ou on a limb at any point. I am happy to be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    KR did tell me a few times that he thought MM and GG would win their matches. I made very safe predictions and didnt go ou on a limb at any point. I am happy to be wrong.
    Thanks Christian & btw I am very unhappy to be right!

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    You were at the biggest dual of the year bar none. You can still be happy about that, and I'm sure you are.
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    When AA flipped MM on his back it was literally 6 feet away from me. Any closer & I would have been the ref or wrestling in the B10!

    And that was the major turning point of the match. And even if that was THE turning point but you can point to a few other things:

    1) Cael thought about starting @ another weight but didn't. He said he wants starting @ 125 to be HOW THEY DO IT @ PSU basically;

    2) Long didn't get a TD, with that he wins;

    3) Brands was yelling @ Marion "He can't keep up with you, he can't keep up with you!" I think that could have gotten into AA's head a little. Marion is a different wrestler then Russell & AA had a chance to win it but gave up a later TD;

    4) Frank could have, admittedly, gotten a Bonus Point;

    5) DT couldn't turn DSJ to get NF pts that he usually gets that could have turned that Major into a TF;

    6) JK got a couple good shots in but couldn't finish;

    7) Ruth should have gotten bonus, (c'mon a 7 point win for him?)

    8) Q looked flat;\

    9) 197 just doesn't have someone where Iowa has no holes in their line up like that;

    10) Cam only won 1-0 against an Unranked Iowa kid, (admittedly bigger but still) and that should tell you something either about Iowa or the psyche of the PSU team regarding Iowa.

    Last edited by kr1963; 01-30-2011 at 08:47 PM.

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    These were my predictions way back on the 26th. That Rec Hall sure is a violent atmosphere what with all the tanned faced white haired deep pockets sitting matside like that. I'm glad we only have to go there every other year. REAL TOUGH CROWD.




    125 Mcdonough MD Pataky, wbf Cashera 4-0 Iowa

    133 Ramos dec Long, 7-0 Iowa

    141 Marion dec Alton, 10-0 Iowa

    149 Molinaro MD Ballweg, 10-4 Iowa

    157 Taylor MD St. John, 10-8 Iowa

    165 Janssen wbd Kemmerer, 13-8 Iowa

    174 Ruth dec Lofthouse, 13-11 Iowa

    184 Gambrall dec Wright, 16-11 Iowa

    197 Lofthouse MD Ruggear/Ortega 20-11 Iowa

    285 Wade MD Raising 20-15 Iowa or 22-15 Iowa

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    Oh, and...









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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    When AA flipped MM on his back it was literally 6 feet away from me. Any closer & I would have been the ref or wrestling in the B10!

    And that was the major turning point of the match. And even if that was THE turning point but you can point to a few other things:

    1) Cael thought about starting @ another weight but didn't. He said he wants starting @ 125 to be HOW THEY DO IT @ PSU basically;

    2) Long didn't get a TD, with that he wins;

    3) Brands was yelling @ Marion "He can't keep up with you, he can't keep up with you!" I think that could have gotten into AA's head a little. Marion is a different wrestler then Russell & AA had a chance to win it but gave up a later TD;

    4) Frank could have, admittedly, gotten a Bonus Point;

    5) DT couldn't turn DSJ to get NF pts that he usually gets that could have turned that Major into a TF;

    6) JK got a couple good shots in but couldn't finish;

    7) Ruth should have gotten bonus, (c'mon a 7 point win for him?)

    8) Q looked flat;\

    9) 197 just doesn't have someone where Iowa has no holes in their line up like that;

    10) Cam only won 1-0 against an Unranked Iowa kid, (admittedly bigger but still) and that should tell you something either about Iowa or the psyche of the PSU team regarding Iowa.


    I think you're missing the point here.
    Each Iowa kid did his job. Each Penn St. kid failed to do his job. Think about that.
    McDonough got the pin, Morgan got pinned
    Ramos got the upset, Long was upset
    Marion got the upset, Alton was upset
    Ballweg prevented bonus, Molinaro failed to get bonus
    St. John prevented the tech or fall, Taylor failed to get the tech or fall
    Janssen got the win, Kemmerer failed to get the win
    Lofthouse prevented bonus, Ruth failed to get bonus
    Gramball got the upset, Wright was upset
    Lofthouse got bonus, Ruggear gave up bonus
    Rasing prevented bonus, Wade failed to get bonus

    I hate Iowa and love Penn St.

    But no doubt Brands did a much, much, much better job preparing his team than Cael.

    Luckily for Penn St.,they should still be top 2 in NCAAs. At a tournament, the individual team vs team and coach vs coach impact means much much less. Still, even winning feels less satisfying when you lose to Iowa head to head.

    EDIT: Unfortunately for Iowa, this win does not boost them in the rankings more than a place or so. Only Ramos and Gramball move up, Marion jumps in. They should still be around #6/#7

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    Got to give Herkey credit, those predictions were about as right as you can ever hope for. He was two team points away from being perfect, and got all the winners right.


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