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    See how much press UConn's women's team got when they tied UCLA's Men's BB streak. I think TB wouldn't mind a piece of that press. Only 17 to go. Even PSU's WVB team got in on that hallowed ground last year.

    In CFB you can't dodge. Your schedule is worked out years in advance. If the same thing was happening in wrestling I would cut TB lots of slack but wrestling schedules are worked out the year before. Whatever his thinking was, he had a chance to go & defend the title but didn't. No comment on TB but I think any school, coach or team would want a chance to defend their title.

    Last year Okie & Okie State were at the VA Duals. Perhaps PSU thought that they were still coming. OSU went to the NWCA event & OU didnt go anywhere. I think if PSU had not tied for the SS title & get shot up to 2nd in the polls, no one would as much attention on them.

    It's ashame that there isn't just one dual tourney like a NCAA sanctioned tourney. I would have loved to have seen both PSU & Iowa there as PSU was never really challenged @ the VA Duals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    You should probably start charging the Brands brothers rent, since they apparently live in your head. Keep crying, though.
    The Brands brothers wouldn't have any money left after you and the rest of the iowa fans got paid for "services rendered"

    Funny how the truth causes Iowa fans to deflect the topic. It's nice to know that I'm getting under your skin. And the only crying being done around here is from Iowa fans who have enjoyed the press, the success, and the domination of opponents over the past few years...and now that Mr. ISU is leading a team poised to make a solid run in March, you guys are Bawling in spoiled milk. Whaaaaaaaaaa.....

    I'll bet the Iowa squad's ego was inflated having beat that wrestling power house Southern Illinois-Edwardsville. Whooo. Congrats Iowa. I'll bet the wrestlers felt really great. What a confidence booster. Meanwhile, there was serious wrestling going on in the state and big bad Iowa opted not to support a venue in their home state. The very same Venue they've dominated.

    Meanwhile, Penn State takes on a tournament that they haven't won since 1991, and you iowa fans feel that isn't right? You all need your heads examined. Did they dominate the event? Hell yeah. But at least thier opponents were ranked.

    And while we're at it...Art Rooney called...The Pittsburgh Steelers want their uniforms back. hehehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlottke View Post
    Maybe in his mind they didn't earn the right as a team to be at "National Duals"?

    You can just assume he's a bully who only takes a fight he *knows* he can win or try to see it from the inside of the program... I'm pretty sure nobody at Iowa is sitting around feeling like they dodged National Duals... there is definitely more to it than that.

    If they really were simply trying to avoid losing it'll hurt them a lot more in the long run... I just really doubt that is the case.
    That could be the case and if it was then that is fine. Like I said I am actualy a fan of Iowa I like the way they wrestle, but I cant help bu think that this goes directly against their on th emat philosophy. From the outside looking in it doesnt look good at all. I am sure that the Iowa program is not concerned with what we think.

    Just to bring this logic of not competting because they had no chance to win to its logical conclusion. Why would Iowa show up to big tens or to to NCAA's when they have no chance of winning. I didnt see Missouri or VT miss the tourney and they are ranked below Iowa, they competed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Just to bring this logic of not competting because they had no chance to win to its logical conclusion. Why would Iowa show up to big tens or to to NCAA's when they have no chance of winning. I didnt see Missouri or VT miss the tourney and they are ranked below Iowa, they competed.
    Those are the two tournaments they are training to be their best at. Big 10s and NCAA's arent dual tournaments. If missing national duals means they'll be better for b10 and ncaas why wouldnt they do that?

    I dont understand your logic there. It's not a matter of ducking competition.(why is PSU not under similar scrutiny?) It's a matter of having your team best when they have to be. A weekend of training is apparently worth more than competing at UNI dome(this year) in a format that is irrelevant.

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    When did PSU commit to the VA duals, and when would they have first been invited to the National Duals. I am sure they could have made the switch, but would it have been the right thing to do the VA Duals considering they wresteld in VA last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    The Brands brothers wouldn't have any money left after you and the rest of the iowa fans got paid for "services rendered"
    Oooh, a sexual services joke. What are you, seven years old?

    Funny how the truth causes Iowa fans to deflect the topic. It's nice to know that I'm getting under your skin. And the only crying being done around here is from Iowa fans who have enjoyed the press, the success, and the domination of opponents over the past few years...and now that Mr. ISU is leading a team poised to make a solid run in March, you guys are Bawling in spoiled milk. Whaaaaaaaaaa.....
    Funny how you take your opinion and declare it the truth. And I'm certainly not crying over Penn State or Cael Sanderson. Good luck to them.
    I'll bet the Iowa squad's ego was inflated having beat that wrestling power house Southern Illinois-Edwardsville. Whooo. Congrats Iowa. I'll bet the wrestlers felt really great. What a confidence booster. Meanwhile, there was serious wrestling going on in the state and big bad Iowa opted not to support a venue in their home state. The very same Venue they've dominated.
    These are more of your "facts", I suppose?
    Meanwhile, Penn State takes on a tournament that they haven't won since 1991, and you iowa fans feel that isn't right? You all need your heads examined. Did they dominate the event? Hell yeah. But at least thier opponents were ranked.
    Congratulations on your victory over the vaunted Michigan dual team. Just because Penn State hasn't won the tournament since 1991 doesn't make it a great tournament. Penn State has been a mediocre team.

    Finally, is it possible that Brands just learned a lesson from 2007, his first season? That season he again had a young, inexperienced team, with most of his best wrestlers on the bench, and his team went to both tournaments, and the younger guys underperformed at NCAA's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    The Brands brothers wouldn't have any money left after you and the rest of the iowa fans got paid for "services rendered"

    Funny how the truth causes Iowa fans to deflect the topic. It's nice to know that I'm getting under your skin. And the only crying being done around here is from Iowa fans who have enjoyed the press, the success, and the domination of opponents over the past few years...and now that Mr. ISU is leading a team poised to make a solid run in March, you guys are Bawling in spoiled milk. Whaaaaaaaaaa.....

    I'll bet the Iowa squad's ego was inflated having beat that wrestling power house Southern Illinois-Edwardsville. Whooo. Congrats Iowa. I'll bet the wrestlers felt really great. What a confidence booster. Meanwhile, there was serious wrestling going on in the state and big bad Iowa opted not to support a venue in their home state. The very same Venue they've dominated.

    Meanwhile, Penn State takes on a tournament that they haven't won since 1991, and you iowa fans feel that isn't right? You all need your heads examined. Did they dominate the event? Hell yeah. But at least thier opponents were ranked.

    And while we're at it...Art Rooney called...The Pittsburgh Steelers want their uniforms back. hehehehe
    If Iowa loses badly at Nationals, then they lose badly at Nationals. Right now, after a disappointing finish at Midlands, I don't see them challenging for the title this year without some serious improvement. That doesn't diminish my support for the team and it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the sport. As a fan, it would have been nice to see both Iowa and Penn State at National Duals. As a coach, Brands does what he thinks is best for his team. Many fans, including many Iowa fans, disagree. Many of the non-Iowa fans just want to see Iowa get their butts kicked after so many successful seasons. But I'm not watching Penn State this year just to see them get their butts kicked. I'm watching them because they're fun to watch.

    Seems to me the original topic was Cornell and National Duals, and you are the one who deflected it to yet another attack on Iowa and the Iowa fans. I really don't see much crying going on amongst the Iowa faithful, but some resignation. Perhaps its time for you to move on and enjoy the powerful Penn State team instead of putting your energies into your obsession, hence Zapp's remark about "living in your head."
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    My only information about NCAA wrestling comes from these boards so I might be completely off but it seems to me like a lot of college wrestlers/coaches are too worried about avoiding losses. Guys opt out of All-Star meets, miss tournaments with relatiely minor injuries, and in this case keep their whole team of of the dual meets to avoid getting beaten. I don't know a whole lot about Iowa or Penn State, but it seems like they chose to avoid the National Duals rather then risk getting beaten.

    When I was competing, we all more or less accepted that losing is part of the sport. Unless you are the world champion, there is someone better than you out there and if you keep challenging yourself you are going to lose sometimes. Losing sucks but it shouldn't be the end of the world, and fear of losing shouldn't keep wrestlers from seeking out top-notch competition- especially in an organization like the NCAA which has paying specators. The more best-on-best wrestling there is, the better.

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    Everyone is assuming that Brands was "avoiding losses". I don't think that's the case at all. Have you ever known him to be the kind of guy that backs down to anything or anyone? Maybe he deserves the benifit of the doubt on this one.

    Could it be that maybe he had the forsight to see that his team would probably be in need of some mental training at this point of the season with such a young team, so he decided to decline the invitation to national duals and take the team to Siberia to train?

    I guess I'm in the group that thinks he deserves the benifit of the doubt. I don't like it that they didnt go but most of you are just haters and will bag on Iowa and Brands at a moments notice.
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