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    My bad, your right, seems like he has been around for a long time...either way, he came off redshirt ready do do work.

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    174

    Pre-Season
    1. Mack Lewnes (Cornell)
    2. Chris Henrich (Virginia)
    3. Jon Reader (Iowa State)
    4. Jordan Blanton (Illinois)
    5. Ben Bennett (Central Michigan)
    6. Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa)
    7. Scott Glasser (Minnesota)
    8. Colby Covington (Oregon State)
    R12. Luke Manuel (Purdue), Mike Letts (Maryland), Nick Amuchastegui (Stanford), Tyler Caldwell (Oklahoma)

    Mid Season
    1. Mack Lewnes (Cornell)
    2. Jon Reader (Iowa State)
    3. Ed Ruth (Penn State)
    4. Chris Henrich (Virginia)
    5. Ben Bennett (Central Michigan)
    6. Nick Amuchastegui (Stanford)
    7. Colby Covington (Oregon State)
    8. Jordan Blanton (Illinois)
    R12. Mike Letts (Maryland), Scott Glasser (Minnesota), Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa), Austin Meys (Lehigh)

    Back in the fall (when this weight class still made sense) I picked Mack Lewnes and based off the season that he's had thus far I'm sticking with him despite the loss that he took to Ed Ruth at the Southern Scuffle. That match the first time he'd lost a regular season match since he was a freshman. Read that sentence again. Up until that match against Ruth (which wasn't a fluke loss, Ruth dominated the entire match) Lewnes had appeared that he was well on his way to a dominating run back to the NCAA finals. He's got three wins so far this year over Ben Bennett including one by major. Since going down to Ruth he's majored Glasser twice. Then he has other wins over Ben Jordan, Caldwell, and Heflin. Most amazing thing about the match that he dropped against Ruth was how Ruth was able to get in and finish on Lewnes. This is a guy who didn't give up a single takedown last year until the NCAA finals, and hadn't given one up this year until he met up with Ruth. In the future against Ruth and the other guys on this list he's just got to focus on getting to his offense, when he's done that the last couple years he's put up big scores against tough guys.

    I wondered coming into the year why Iowa State moved Reader up when he never seemed like a big 165, and whether or not he'd struggle a little early on wrestling larger opponents here at this weight. Given the fact that he is currently undefeated and ranked #1 in the country I think the answer to my question is a pretty definitive "No." Similar to his start's as a sophomore and last year as a junior he's looked very impressive so far this year both with the opponents that he's beating and the dominating scores that he's putting up against them. He's got two wins so far this year over Ethen Lofthouse, one of which came by major. He beat Jake Swartz twice at National Duals by comfortable margins. Then he's got other wins over Jarrion Beets, Letts, and Bennett. Has a great ground and pound style that he's able to use to wear guys down. He's got a match this weekend with Benefiel which he should take care of with no problem, then he has a HUGE match up next weekend when Cornell travels out to Ames where if he's able to win that one he should make it through the rest of the year undefeated and get what is shaping up to be a very valuable #1 seed.

    When I talked about this weight class not making sense anymore, Ed Ruth and the great tournament that he had at the Southern Scuffle where he knocked off Lewnes and Henrich in successive matches is the primary culprit. He went out in both matches and just dominated, from all three positions. In the past he'd had matches that he seemed like he'd sleep walk through and with him being so big you'd always wonder about his gas tank if he got up against an opponent who really pushed things, but neither of those issues showed up as problems against Lewnes or Henrich. He stayed aggressive with his attacks (showing great aptitude for finishing when he got to legs) for all seven minutes of both matches, and he did a great job working hard on top against both guys as well. He had wins earlier in the year over Meys and Giffin. Only has one loss, dropped a 9-4 match to Letts at the Nittany Lion Open.

    While you kind of always figured that Henrich was going to be overshadowed a little bit this year (during the regular season anyway) by Lewnes, with Reader moving up and Ed Ruth emerging as a title contender he seems like he's slipped way under the radar now and that may wind up being something that suits him just fine. Hasn't really run up against a ton of top level guys but despite that fact he's still got some nice wins this year over Meys and Ethan Headlee. While its probably no consolation to him he had an absolutely dirty foot sweep that he hit against Ed Ruth to pick the first takedown up in their match despite the fact that he'd wind up losing. He's got a match left on his schedule with Letts which should be interesting to watch given that they haven't wrestled since Letts beat Henrich twice back when he was a freshman.

    Ben Bennett has kind of emerged as the break through guy at this weight so far this year having taken up the spot here as the best of the next tier after the top 4 guys who have separated themselves a little bit. He came in last year expected to wrestle 184 but wound up beating out returning NCAA finalist Mike Miller here at this weight, starting for the Chippewas here and eventually finishing 6th at NCAA's. So far this year he's met up with Mack Lewnes in a dual meet and in the finals of two tournaments, going down in all three matches. He made the finals at Midlands and went down there to Reader. He's got a pair of wins so far over Austin Meys, then other wins over Glasser (who he sent home at NCAA's last year), Heflin, Swartz, and Manuel. Got a nice well rounded style but he's able to augment that with big moves that he's able to utilize to pick up quick pins.

    Nick Amuchastegui was one of the major surprises last year at NCAA's when he upset Nick Marable in the first round (for the second year in a row) en route to eventually finishing 4th for Stanford. Up here at 174 now he hasn't really missed a beat from how he was performing at the end of the year last year, he's looked good. Wrestling for Stanford he's a guy who is always going to exist a little under the radar but he's taken advantage of his opportunities to wrestle quality guys this year. He competed in the All Star match beating Blanton 4-0. Then he came out at Midlands and wrestled well en route to taking 3rd. He split matches with Austin Meys going down by fall in an early round match (his only loss of the year thus far) before coming back through the consolations and beating him for 3rd. En route to that match he also beat Mike Letts. He's got other wins over Giffin, and Swartz. Similar to Henrich he's a guy who will have a tough storm to weather in his conference with matches against Swartz, and against the defending conference champion Covington still left on his schedule.

    Speaking of Covington here he is here in the 7th spot where he may be a bit underrated given that I've placed him under Amuchastegui despite the fact that he's the defending champion in the Pac-10 and like Amuchastegui he's only lost one match so far this year (in his splitting matches with Tyler Caldwell out at Las Vegas). Other than those matches he's got a pair of wins over Jake Swartz and other wins over Patrovich and Manuel. Was one of the most surprising guys in the country last year looking much improved for the Beavers after an awful stint in the Iowa room. He came in last year and wrestled an aggressive style that would have endeared him to Hawkeye fans had he shown it while he was there. That aggressive style makes a match up with Amuchastegui interesting as it should be a nice clash of styles with Amuchastegui looking to keep things a little more technical while Covington will be trying to brawl.

    Similar to the prior weight I wrestled for a while as to who I liked to finish here in the 8th spot eventually deciding to give the nod to Blanton despite the fact that he's banged up based off the idea that unless you have a really good reason not to (and right now I don't) you go with the guy who has done it before. Blanton has an All American finish under his belt, the four guys that I have just off the list do not. Blanton is just a straight up banger and he's got a good gas tank which obviously helps when it comes to imposing his style. Comes straight forward, tries to beat up guys heads and then looks to score with doubles and high crotches. Solid enough on the mat but its not really where his strength is. So far this year the only place he's really wrestled was out at Las Vegas. He split matches there with Jake Swartz losing early but coming back to beat him for 5th. He also had a win over Nick Heflin. Then other than the loss against Swartz he's also dropped matches against Caldwell and Luke Manuel.
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    Default Re: 2011 Mid-Season All American Predictions: 125-174 Posted

    Have you any idea of the seriousness of Blanton's injury-he has not wrestled in a month or so.

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    184

    Pre-Season
    1. Kirk Smith (Boise State)
    2. Quentin Wright (Penn State)
    3. Chris Perry (Oklahoma State)
    4. Joe LeBlanc (Wyoming)
    5. Chris Honeycutt (Edinboro)
    6. AJ Kissel (Purdue)
    7. Jon Fausey (Virginia)
    8. Lee Munster (Northwestern)
    R12. Steve Bosak (Cornell), Travis Rutt (Wisconsin), Robert Hamlin (Lehigh), Grant Gambrall (Iowa)

    Mid Season
    1. Kirk Smith (Boise State)
    2. Chris Honeycutt (Edinboro)
    3. Joe LeBlanc (Wyoming)
    4. Steve Bosak (Cornell)
    5. Travis Rutt (Wisconsin)
    6. Robert Hamlin (Lehigh)
    7. Quentin Wright (Penn State)
    8. Kevin Steinhaus (Minnesota)
    R12. Jon Fausey (Virginia), Chris Perry (Oklahoma State), Josh Ihnen (Nebraska), Luke Rebertus (Navy)

    Spent a long time this year waiting and wondering if/when we were going to see Kirk Smith back in the line up. It was a legitimate question too given his injury rumors, he's got a redshirt that he could have taken but he was back in Boise's line up for National Duals a few weeks ago where he recorded a nice win over Kevin Steinhaus in his second match of the day. Back in the fall I talked about how Smith was a guy who despite his great season last year (undefeated until getting worked by Askren in the NCAA finals) and stellar summer (decisive win over Wright at WTT's) was still very underrated. Wrestling wise he's always been at his best on his feet. Not the most aggressive guy in the world, but one of the most efficient. When he decides to go he almost always scores. He's always been solid on the mat, Askren worked him last year but Askren worked everyone last year during the tournament.

    Right now I like Honeycutt to come in at the end of the year and comprise the second half of what I'd call the "No Love" final as I spoke about him being underrated by a lot of people (myself included) when he came in this year off his redshirt. Like Smith he spent the early part of the season out of the line up getting in a little more rehab on a shoulder that he had surgery on during the off season. Had kind of an alarming match early on in his return as a result of an apparently pretty awful weight cut, gassing badly and very nearly going down to Peter Capone before powering into a late TD and ride out after taking a blatant lung time out. Since that match though he's looked tough. He won the Southern Scuffle, recording wins over Rebertus and Bosak in the process. Then a few weeks ago at Virgina Duals he recorded another quality win over Jon Fausey. So far he and Smith are the only guys here on the list who haven't lost in what has been a pretty wild weight class so far this year. He's got a dual left with Thomusseit on his schedule (and then would likely see him again at conferences) but other than that his path is pretty clear up until NCAA's. This isn't really a weight class where the struggle for the #1 will be big (since its been such a cluster) but I'm sure it'd be something nice to have for him.

    Due to Wyoming having scaled down their schedule some from last year (where they went to the Body Bar and Las Vegas tournaments) LeBlanc has been flying under the radar some just because we haven't seen much of him against high level guys. He spent a period of time ranked #1 by nearly all ranking services and it was barely noticed. Despite the fact he isn't wrestling a lot he's still wrestling very well just like he has over the course of the first few years of his career. He had wins early in the year over Kissel and Ihnen en route to gaining the #1 ranking. A few weeks ago at Virginia Duals he got his first extended run against competition winning matches against Rebertus and Fausey, but going down in a close back and forth match to Robert Hamlin. He's got a match left on his schedule with Chris Perry that could be interesting (coming into the year I thought it would be a huge match). The last two years he's proven that he always brings it at NCAA's so even without as much competition as he's had in the past this year he should have no issue turning it on when it counts.

    Had I managed to get this write up out a few days ago Bosak would have been at least one spot (if not more) higher on the list, and the tone of this write up likely would have been a little different. As it is, he's right up there with Josh Asper as either 1A or 1B on the list of guys that I underrated the most coming into the year. I had him on the AA list for a while during the pre-season based off his stellar year last year, but I still didn't really think he was that good so I spent a lot of time searching for a guy that I liked better that I could replace him with. So far this year he's been the replacement for Kyle Dake on the "Rob Koll is that damn good" team this year (Koll having said in a newsletter before the season started that Bosak was much improved and would challenge for a national title). Super fun guy to watch wrestle. Great from the feet with his elbow pass series. Then tough on top with his cross wrist and 2 on 1 tilts. Before dropping a match the other night to Hamlin (who I'll talk more about later) the only match he'd lost was to Honeycutt in the Scuffle finals. He's got a pair of wins this year over both Nate Schiedel and Kevin Steinhaus, then he has other wins over Travis Rutt and Mike Larson. He's got the upside to be higher, but even at his peak I don't see him in the finals. To me he feels more like a guy who gets knocked into the consi's in the quarters and then just lays waste to everyone the rest of the way.

    Out of all the picks that I made here at this weight class in the pre-season taking Rutt as one of my top 12 is the one that I'm most proud of based off how things have gone down this year, he's a guy who I really had a good feeling about coming into the year and he's exceeded even my expectations with how he's performed so far. He's only dropped one match so far, going down 2-0 to Bosak out at Las Vegas. He won the Midlands back in December recording wins over Thomusseit, Hamlin, and Ihnen in consecutive matches. Other than that he's got an additional win over Ihnen last night, two wins over both Andrew Saunders and Kevin Steinhaus, and then another win over Ryan Loder. He has a pretty big greco background, but you wouldn't necessarily know it in watching him as he does a good job getting to and finishing his leg attacks. Very strong at this weight which is obviously something that he's able to use to his advantage.

    I talked about underrating Smith and Honeycutt in the pre-season and based off his results so far I may be doing the same thing here with Robert Hamlin. He's come up to this weight after having a solid year last year at 174 and at the halfway point of the year he already has ten quality wins (more than anyone I have listed at any weight) including marquee victories over Wright, LeBlanc, and Bosak. The win over Wright made the second straight year he came into the Lehigh/Penn State dual and knocked off an opponent ranked higher than him. He wrestles just like he did last year, just comes forward and keeps shooting. He doesn't always score but the volume that he comes at guys with means that eventually he's going to figure guys out and get himself on the board. Other than the wins I've already mentioned he's got three wins over Mike Larson, two wins over Loder, and then other wins over Thomusseit and Fausey. He's dropped matches to Rutt and Rebertus.

    Tough year so far for Quentin Wright. He started off as one of the highest rated guys in the country and someone who was seen a major contender for a national championship and perhaps even the consensus favorite. That kind of went out the window a little bit when he dropped the aforementioned early season match up to Hamlin in a match where he looked sluggish overall and was just really unable to get anything going from his feet. After taking that loss he wrestled well including a win over Dan Rinaldi (not overwhelming) but then wound up injuring his shoulder in the Nittany Lion Open finals which kept him out of the Penn State line up until last night when he made his return recording a nice win over Max Thomusseit. Even in that win though he showed some of the same issues that he displayed against Hamlin. Seemed to slip into looking for just one big move to try and win the match rather than looking to just score with basic stuff. Had some gas issues but with it being his first match back that's kind of expected. If he's able to stay healthy he's just too well rounded not to make it up here.

    While I've talked about guys who were underrated during the pre-season Steinhaus is someone who you really can't call underrated because there was no reason for him to be on anyone's mind during the pre-season, he's been a major surprise so far this year for the Gophers. Came in out of high school as a 160 pounder but has really done a great job building himself up into a 184 who hasn't struggled against even the larger opponents here at the weight. Great duck under from the feet, also has solid leg attacks. Probably most comfortable though from the top where he likes to run tilts, and where he's very effective as a rider even if he's not able to turn the guy. So far this year he's got wins over Perry, Ihnen, Fausey, and Rebertus. The wins over Perry and Ihnen both displayed that riding ability as he really took the fight out of Perry from the top, and actually rode Ihnen for the entire third period to win that match. So far this year he's lost a pair of matches to Bosak, and then also dropped matches to Perry, Trotman, Smith, Rutt, and Kissel. Struggled to score from the feet in his match last night against Kissel but I think that's a problem that he's able to solve as the year goes on.
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    Ryan Loder has lost by very few points to Hamlin (lost by more in another match with him) and Rutt, and has convincingly beaten Perry and Ihnen (which just happened today).

    I would say that solidifes at least round of 12, but he's got some more wrestling to do.
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    Ban, did Jarrion Beets really wrestle 197?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    I would say that solidifes at least round of 12, but he's got some more wrestling to do.
    I evaluated him and I'll acknowledge that he's wrestled well since Midlands, but I don't consider anyone who has lost to Kyle Reid, Aaron Jones, and Nate Graham to have solidified much of anything in terms of prospective end of the year placement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Ban, did Jarrion Beets really wrestle 197?
    Yes, he did. Both 197 pounders are dinged up right now and they didn't want to forfeit the weight, I assume.

    A little bit overpowered by Johnson, for sure!
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    197

    Pre-Season
    1. Dustin Kilgore (Kent State)
    2. Cam Simaz (Cornell)
    3. Trevor Brandvold (Wisconsin)
    4. Clayton Foster (Oklahoma State)
    5. Sonny Yohn (Minnesota)
    6. Anthony Biondo (Michigan)
    7. Brent Haynes (Missouri)
    8. Cayle Byers (George Mason)
    R12. Zack Giesen (Stanford), Zac Thomusseit (Pittsburgh), Jerome Ward (Iowa State), Michael Salopek (Virginia)

    Mid Season
    1. Dustin Kilgore (Kent State)
    2. Cam Simaz (Cornell)
    3. Clayton Foster (Oklahoma State)
    4. Trevor Brandvold (Wisconsin)
    5. Sonny Yohn (Minnesota)
    6. Matt Powless (Indiana)
    7. Micah Burak (Pennsylvania)
    8. Zac Thomusseit (Pittsburgh)
    R12. Zack Giesen (Stanford), Joe Kennedy (Lehigh), Logan Brown (Purdue), Brent Haynes (Missouri)

    Despite the fact that he had a pretty bad go of things at the Southern Scuffle, right now I'm still sticking with my preseason pick of Kilgore to win this weight class because other than the two matches that he dropped there to Byers and Burak he's been pretty lights out so far over the course of the year. So far this year he's got a wild 10-9 win over Simaz in the Body Bar finals in what has really been the match of the year so far at the halfway point. He's got wins over Ward, Salopek, Thomusseit, Hanke, Kennedy and Brown. The biggest thing for him going forward is the same thing that he's always been, he's got to take his time and stay within himself especially when he's wrestling from the feet. He's still got a little bit of a tendency to try and rush his attacks from neutral (he likes to try and force his cradle too while we're at it) and it wound up costing him in his match against Byers.

    Cam Simaz has come in this year and had another stellar season after finishing 3rd at NCAA's last year, the one thing that kind of sticks out about him right now though is that he's wrestling on a pretty gimpy knee right now and you wonder how he's going to handle that as he moves through out the year. So far this year he's won the Vegas and Southern Scuffle tournaments, then finishing as I've already mentioned as the runner up to Kilgore at the Body Bar tournament. So far this year he's got two majors over Powless, a major over Biondo, and then other wins over Burak, Brown, and Byers. Assuming he's able to stay healthy enough to wrestle at his normal high level based off their result early in the year he's right there with Kilgore as far as a national title candidate.

    Coming back up here to this weight class after spending last year at 184, Clayton Foster has had a great year so far sitting currently as the only undefeated wrestler at this weight class (technically Brandvold is undefeated too, but he's only wrestled four matches) here at the halfway point of the season. He competed in the All Star match to start the season off continuing his dominance over Sonny Yohn recording a pretty comfortable decision win, he beat Yohn again a few weeks later in a dual meet. Matches between him and Yohn seem like they're going to shake out the same way with Foster being able to get the TD's and then get away from Yohn. Makes him tough to beat. He's also got a pair of wins over Jerome Ward, including one by fall. Then he's also beaten Brown, and he's got a major over Haynes. Had a close one recently against Luke Lofthouse where he struggled to get his offense going. Despite the fact that he's wrestled so well this year, I don't know if I see any upset possibilities in terms of him knocking off one of the two guys above him and crashing the finals. I think 3rd is about his upside here.

    Brandvold sits here as our second (and by my count there are two other guys who this will apply to on this list) walking wounded guy on the list, and he's been even more affected by it than Simaz as he's only wrestled four times so far this year and has missed Wisconsin's two big tournaments out in Vegas and at Midlands. His best win so far this year is a 12-0 major over Zac Bennett in an early season dual. Based off his year last year when he won Big 10's en route to finishing 5th in the country if he's able to get back healthy I think he's able to put up a quality post season. If he isn't, his back up Derrick Borlie has come in and wrestled pretty well for Wisconsin and may wind up becoming an interesting R12 sleeper guy.

    Sonny Yohn is walking wounded guy #3 having sat out the last month after hurting his knee in his first round match at the Southern Scuffle. Based off his freestyle success this summer, coming into the year I thought that this might wind up a breakout season for Yohn given that he wrestled so well in freestyle despite being unable to work from his best position (top with the legs in) but from the little bit that we've seen of him he's been pretty similar to what we saw last year. Solid enough on the feet, but not really the most dynamic guy in the world. He had an interesting style in free where he'd work great upper body fakes and then rather than shooting he'd try and work a quick drag to get behind and then score from there. Like I mention he's most comfortable on top with his legs in, he's arguably the best in the country when he gets there. His best win this year was over Riley Orozco (which avenged a loss from early last year I believe). He's dropped two matches so far, both to Clayton Foster who has really had his number in folk over the last two years.

    While I thought that Yohn was going to be this year's breakout guy, it turns out that Matt Powless fits that label much better. He's come out this year and looked really tough for Indiana. He's got wins over Haynes, Burak, Wilps, Orozco, Biondo, and Hanke. He's really been impressive at wrestling on his feet, he's got quite a few 4 point tech falls against lesser regarded opponents that he's faced. His only losses so far this year are two majors to Cam Simaz, one coming in the Las Vegas finals and another one coming at the Southern Scuffle. Has had a similar first half of the year to the one Nathan Everhart had last year, it'll be interesting to see if he's able to avoid the tough go of things that Everhart had at NCAA's last year.

    Burak is a guy similar to Sonny Yohn in that I got the chance to watch him wrestle freestyle this summer and was really impressed with him, he wound up as the last guy I left off of my R12 during my preseason picks. In his freestyle matches he stuck out as someone who really disproved the idea that conditioning isn't important in freestyle anymore as he beat Clayton Foster by gassing him out, and nearly made the University World team over Yohn by gassing him out as well. So far this year he's demonstrated that same level of aggression in folkstyle recording wins over Mitchell, Salopek, Thomusseit, Biondo, and then his best win over the year beating Dustin Kilgore in the consolation semi's at the Scuffle. He's dropped matches to Simaz, Hanke, and Powless. If Simaz is able to make it back, their showdown at EIWA's could be big in determining if Simaz is able to get the #1 seed.

    Thomusseit is our final walking wounded guy here at the weight class as they announced during the Penn State/Pitt dual meet on Friday that he'd had surgery on his knee recently but that he'd be looking to make his return some time before the postseason gets going. He's had an excellent year so far after moving up from 184 and forcing last year's starter for the Panthers, Matt Wilps to take a redshirt this year. He came into Midlands this year as the #1 seed but went down early to a very under seeded Nate Patrick (he'd come back to beat Patrick later) but wrestled back and eventually placed 3rd. He's got other wins this year over Kennedy, Biondo, Magrum, Salopek, Mitchell, and Haynes. Other than the match against Patrick he's also gone down to Burak and Kilgore.
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