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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    I don't think all those b12 guys make the podium either.
    Deciding who to drop between Patterson, Morrison, Waters, and Bedelyon for those last three spots took me forever.
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    Default Re: 2011 Mid-Season All American Predictions: 125-133 Posted

    Preseason:
    125 Pounds:
    1. Brandon Precin, Northwestern
    2. Matt McDonough, Iowa
    3. Andrew Long, ??????
    4. Logan Stieber, Ohio State
    5. Zach Sanders, Minnesota
    6. Anthony Robles, Arizona State
    7. Nic Bedelyon, Kent State
    8. Jon Morrison, Okie State

    Round of 12:
    Brad Pataky, Penn State
    Jason Lara, Oregon State
    Frank Perrelli, Cornell
    James Nicholson, Old Dominican

    Precin was one of the very best 125 in the country two years ago. I don't think people have forgotten about him, but the fact that there isn't more talk about him makes me feel like people forget just how good he was. I look for him to win it, but I wouldn't be surprised by any of my top 4 winning it. It's tough to say how high Stieber will fly his freshman year, but I think he'll definitely be a mid to high AA guy. Morrison is my sort of bold AA prediction for this weight. I really wanted to pick Pataky as an AA, but didn't.


    Now:
    I was kind of rushed when I wrote this, but here are mine:

    1. Brandon Precin
    2. Anthony Robles
    3. Matt McDonough

    That's the first tier. Obviously those three have kind of separated themselves from the rest of the pack. I'm pretty comfortable with my Precin pick (that I've picked all along). He already has taken that beating from Robles and showed that he learned from it enough to beat Robles. McDonough hasn't had that fortune.

    4. Zach Sanders
    5. James Nicholson
    6. Nic Bedelyon
    7. Jon Morrison
    8. Jarrod Patterson

    I could see these five being jumbled up in any order, really. I can see any of them beating any of them. 125 is pretty uncertain. But I put them like this for various reasons. Sanders I put at the front because he has proven that he shows up at NCAAs. Nicholson has done everything you could ask of him this year, including beat Sanders. I just feel like Sanders will be better at NCAA's. Bedelyon started off redhot with a bunch of techs (notably over Garnett), has missed a good bit of time due to injuries. His loss to Waters is the only real question mark I see (and Waters has been a great frosh). I'm told he was beating Pataky handily before getting cement mixed, which will happen from time to time when you're wrestling Pataky. Patterson beat Morrison, and I definitely think he can do it again. I just worry about Patterson's offense; he's the kind of guy who keeps every match very close and wins off tough riding and smart wrestling (except when he's wrestling Robles). I put Morrison a spot ahead of him because all those razor close matches come back to bite you and Morrison scores more points.

    Round of Twelve:
    Ryan Mango, Alan Waters, Jarrod Garnett, Brad Pataky
    Last edited by Gold; 01-12-2011 at 06:22 PM.


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    Here is the way I see 125 ending up:

    1. Precin
    2. Nicholson
    3. McD
    4. Sanders
    5. Pataky
    6. Morrison
    7. Robles
    8. Garnett
    R12 Bedelyn, Martinez, Mango, Kjar

    The two guys that wrestle the best in the tournament place 1st & 3rd. Those spots go to Precin & McD. Precin is seasoned, wrestling vey well, and ready to become the Champ. McD will hit a hiccup before the finals....a crafty veteran like Nicholson will prevent the repeat. Nicholson will use the excitement of beating McD to wrestle to the finals. Sanders will make the quarters before being bumped by Precin and out hustle everyone in the consolation bracket except when he runs into McD. Pataky will ride the excitement of Penn St's run to the title to a 5th place finish. Morrison (although young) will be well coached by Smith and continue to put up lots of points in route to a 6th place finish. Robles coming in to the tournament as a #2 seed will get worn out and upset in a couple of matches by opponents that have developed a strategy to beat him. With Virginia Tech in also in the running for a National title, Garnett will dig down deep to grab the last AA spot. A couple of suprises in the R12, Martinez & Kjar. Martinez comes down from 133 and keeps his gas tank to overpower some of the smaller & weaker 125lbers. And Kjar is (and has been) solid in every aspect: Top, Bottom, Neutral, just not slick enough offense to beat the top 8, but enough to hang around and make the R12.

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    Great writeup so far Jensen, not a ton of time to reply but this stuck out:


    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post

    Some people may make the argument that I am overrating Long by putting him here
    I don't think anyone is going to argue that and to be honest I can see him being as high as second. Are there really people, despite the layoff, who think he's any worse than 4th at that weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckvader View Post
    Here is the way I see 125 ending up:

    1. Precin
    2. Nicholson
    3. McD
    4. Sanders
    5. Pataky
    6. Morrison
    7. Robles
    8. Garnett
    R12 Bedelyn, Martinez, Mango, Kjar

    The two guys that wrestle the best in the tournament place 1st & 3rd. Those spots go to Precin & McD. Precin is seasoned, wrestling vey well, and ready to become the Champ. McD will hit a hiccup before the finals....a crafty veteran like Nicholson will prevent the repeat. Nicholson will use the excitement of beating McD to wrestle to the finals. Sanders will make the quarters before being bumped by Precin and out hustle everyone in the consolation bracket except when he runs into McD. Pataky will ride the excitement of Penn St's run to the title to a 5th place finish. Morrison (although young) will be well coached by Smith and continue to put up lots of points in route to a 6th place finish. Robles coming in to the tournament as a #2 seed will get worn out and upset in a couple of matches by opponents that have developed a strategy to beat him. With Virginia Tech in also in the running for a National title, Garnett will dig down deep to grab the last AA spot. A couple of suprises in the R12, Martinez & Kjar. Martinez comes down from 133 and keeps his gas tank to overpower some of the smaller & weaker 125lbers. And Kjar is (and has been) solid in every aspect: Top, Bottom, Neutral, just not slick enough offense to beat the top 8, but enough to hang around and make the R12.
    I know it's kind of a d-bag move to criticize other rankings when I haven't posted my own, but Robles at 7 would be the shock of the tournament if that happened. I'd especially be wary of picking anyone who hasn't wrestled Robles to beat him the first time they meet. Robles is 2x stronger than other 125's. I think he's too much for anyone to handle this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I know it's kind of a d-bag move to criticize other rankings when I haven't posted my own, but Robles at 7 would be the shock of the tournament if that happened. I'd especially be wary of picking anyone who hasn't wrestled Robles to beat him the first time they meet. Robles is 2x stronger than other 125's. I think he's too much for anyone to handle this year.
    Hey d-bag
    I hope I'm wrong - would love to see Robles win the whole thing AND take home the Hodge.....but IMO 7th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    Bedelyon started off redhot with a bunch of techs (notably over Garnett), has missed a good bit of time due to injuries. His loss to Waters is the only real question mark I see (and Waters has been a great frosh). I'm told he was beating Pataky handily before getting cement mixed, which will happen from time to time when you're wrestling Pataky.
    I did not see this match, but the write-ups that I saw said the bout was tied 2-2, but Bedelyon had a ton of riding time when Pataky pinned him.

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    Default Re: 2011 Mid-Season All American Predictions: 125-133 Posted

    Pataky stuck himself twice in one scramble-Bed was in deep on a shot and Pat refused to let go of the tight waist-was flat as a pancake-not only did the ref miss the fall Bed did not get the TD-he was in control the entire match and walked right into Pataky's last chance.

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    Have mixer, will travel....

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