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    Fleeing the mat can be a hard call. A simple if they are facing out of the circle when they leave isn't good as a per se rule. If they are already on the edge, the best move might be to turn out. It doesn't mean they are avoiding wrestling, but the best defense in that case results in what appears to be a fleeing the mat situation. It is definitely undercalled I think, but I think that happens with all of the calls that are heavily subjective and making the rule more objective isn't good.

    More than from neutral I would like to see it called when the top man runs the bottom guy out of bounds after a standup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    More than from neutral I would like to see it called when the top man runs the bottom guy out of bounds after a standup.
    Sometimes thats the case. Sometimes it's the bottom man running out and its tough to tell the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Sometimes thats the case. Sometimes it's the bottom man running out and its tough to tell the difference.
    I have to think that is the minority of cases, especially now that you can draw a stalling call by just not being put to the mat.

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    Forget about shock collars for the wrestlers-give a 3rd ref-the mat ref or side judge-a shock button for the ACTUAL ref. If the 2 side judges hit the button the shock activates and the ref calls a SW-but only IF both side judges hit the button. The wrestlers are there to wrestle for 7 minutes . They are often unaware of their mat position-the REF must keep the action going. Of course this will never happen but in my experience as a ref-I controlled the mat-let them wrestle -make them wrestle if you have to...watch the Biondo/Kennedy match.Kennedy would have gotten his team 6 as I would have DSQ'd Biondo. EVERY restart his first (not one ) two to three steps were backwards and his Ride was to drop down on the ankles and hold on for dear life. I had no vested interest in the match yet watched it like a car wreck-waiting for the ref to force something.
    The refs NEED to control the action or lack there of.

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    I mentioned this on the "poll" thread but old-rules freestyle, while it did not have a pushout, still kept wrestlers on the mat. Wrestlers were aware that cautions were likely to be given if they went off the mat on purpose.

    Fleeing doesn't have to be a hard call for the refs to make. You get pushed off the mat, no call. You take yourself off the mat (going backward of your own accord), fleeing call. A bit subjective for sure, but no more than stalling calls are already.

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    I don't understand why they just don't make the mat diameter about 6 feet bigger.

    Now a silly idea would be that you score LESS points if you are touching the inner circle. That way a guy who was stalling would stand in the middle....avoid the outer edge.

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    Because the MAT is SACRED ?? The refs simply need to start dinging these guys. For my HPER minor (Health ,Physical Education and Recreation ) I wrote 2 papers -one on Title IX and the death of men's sports and the other on widening the football field 6 yards . Guys have simply outgrown the field dimensions. 50 years ago 220 lbs was a monster. Now it is a decent sized Running Back-Offensive lineman average size is 6'4'' 280-defense a bit smaller .LB's weigh 250-60 and run a 4.5 40-WHEN was the last time you saw a sweep work ? The RB's cannot turn the corner as there is NO corner -simply widen the field 2 strides.
    As far as I am concerned basketball can just do the world a favor and turn inter-murals. WOULD anyone miss the NBA ?

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