View Poll Results: In NCAA wrestling, the out of bounds wrestling

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  • sucks, and should be replaced with a "freestyle" pushout rule

    2 4.44%
  • sucks, and referees should call stalling or fleeing a lot more

    25 55.56%
  • is not a big deal

    12 26.67%
  • is awesome, and the rules should encourage more out of bounds wrestling!

    1 2.22%
  • anyoone who leaves the mat should be shot

    5 11.11%
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Thread: Out of Bounds

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    I don't honestly watch a bunch of folkstyle, but I've stated before a couple of things bug me, the biggest being the "playing the edge' that people do. I wonder how lifelong folkstylers feel about this in NCAA matches.

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    Default Re: Out of Bounds

    Freestyle has only been doing the push out rule for a few years, so whatever. I don't like wrestlers that play the edge of the mat, but I also don't mind if wrestlers organically get to to the edge of the mat and it goes OB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Freestyle has only been doing the push out rule for a few years, so whatever. I don't like wrestlers that play the edge of the mat, but I also don't mind if wrestlers organically get to to the edge of the mat and it goes OB.
    Agree. Sometimes that's where things end up, at the edge. We can't have guys wrestling in a tube, that is why we have all that nice mat space.

    I don't like the push-out rule. Seems like cheap points to me, for some reason. I guess maybe I don't get how a lot of technique is involved in the push-out and it borders on Sumo wrestling to my eyes. Maybe award points after multiple push-outs?

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    Went to a coaches clinic about 30 years ago and a COWBOY was bragging about how he had developed the ''line technique''-I got up and walked out. If that was the speakers claim to fame he had NOTHING I wanted to hear .

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    I don't watch enough freestyle to pretend to have insight on the push out rule, but I hate it in folkstyle when wrestlers are obviously trying to get out of bounds because they are getting scored on and the ref does nothing about it. It is clearly fleeing the mat but it rarely gets called. Call it and it will stop happening.

    Russ, that has been the cowboys technique for years. The little weasels need an escape rout just in case someone gets to their legs.
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    Push out seems drastic as it changes the nature of folkstyle too much, but the system as it stands is clearly in need of work. Fleeing the mat is the worst call in all of college wrestling. It's so arbitrarily forced that it serves no purpose. I would say one out of every 20 fleeing calls are actually forced, so when it is called everyone is up in arms. So I'm with Herkey - maybe for at least one year actually enforce fleeing the mat and see where it goes...

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    When I reffed Freestyle we had to raise our arm and yell zone when the wrestlers were close to the lines-if they did not come back to the middle within a few seconds after I'd warned them I blew the whistle for a restart. IMO, if a guy takes a step back off the whistle he should be warned. Circle all day-but back up for no reason ? Nah.

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    How much is playing the edge and how much is just a result of how a wrestler sets up his offense. Burroughs likes to work from space. That is going to involve a lot of side to side and sometimes backwards movement. Doesn't mean he is intentionally going there but when wrestling someone like Howe who has to get tie ups to work his offense it is going to happen.

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    Can't remember-HOF member-wrestled in the 60's-I was fresh out of College and had been trained by Blubaugh-I'm sure the guy was a National champ but his teachings went against everything I'd been taught-in Retrospect-I probably could have learned a lot from him -but I was in my early 20's and thought I knew everything.
    Just when he started lecturing on how to use the lines to control the tempo I left.Wish I'd stayed. It was in 1982-3 at a coaches convention in Indianapolis.

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