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    He's fallen out of the rankings since he hasn't wrestled yet this year.

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    Default Re: 2010 Southern Scuffle: Predictions/Discussion/Results

    If we look @ everyone on the list who has @ some point this been year been in the top 20 OR deserves to be in the top 20 (like English has beaten 2 top 10 wrestlers @ the S&B) then the list looks like this:

    125-@ least 10 wrestlers have been in the top 20 (2 AAs) two highest ranked wrestlers: #7 & #9
    133-@ least 10 (0 AA) #4 & #9
    141-@ least 10 (3 AA) #1 & #2
    149-@ least 7 (2 former NCAA champs, 4 total AAs) #1 & #6
    157-@ least 5 (1 AA) #3 & #7
    165-@ least 7 (0 AAs) #4 & #6
    174-@ least 8 (2 AAs, finalist & semi-finalist) #1 & #2
    184-@ least 9 (0 AAs) #2 & #3
    197-@ least 8 (3 AAs) #1 & #2
    285-@ least 9 ( 0 AAs) #6 & #7

    So in terms of toughest weights @ the SS I would rank them:
    1) 149
    2) 141
    3) 197
    4) 174
    5) 125

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    I'd be interested to see a similar comparison of the Midlands pre-seeds so we could get an idea of what individual weight class may be the "toughest" between the two tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    He's fallen out of the rankings since he hasn't wrestled yet this year.
    Hopefully he's not on Dake's side of the bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    I'd be interested to see a similar comparison of the Midlands pre-seeds so we could get an idea of what individual weight class may be the "toughest" between the two tournaments.
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    </td> <td class="xl72">#3 & #4</td> <td class="xl71" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl71">
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    </td> <td class="xl72">#1 & #2</td> <td class="xl71" align="right">6</td> <td class="xl71">
    </td> <td class="xl73" dir="LTR" style="width: 41pt;" width="54">7th</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl74" style="height: 15pt;" align="left" height="20">157M*</td> <td class="xl74" align="right">81</td> <td class="xl74" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl74" align="right">2</td> <td class="xl74"></td> <td class="xl75">#1 & #5</td> <td class="xl74" align="right">9</td> <td class="xl74"></td> <td class="xl76" dir="LTR" style="width: 41pt;" width="54">11th</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"> <td class="xl71" style="height: 15pt;" align="left" height="20">141S</td> <td class="xl71" align="right">80</td> <td class="xl71" align="right">0</td> <td class="xl71" align="right">3</td> <td class="xl71">
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    Default Re: 2010 Southern Scuffle: Predictions/Discussion/Results

    I think we can see that the Midlands hands down is still the tougher tourney & it's not even close. If any one needs to explain my little graph there just let me know but I feel it should be fairly self-explanatory.

    NCAA Champs
    Midlands-3
    Scuffle-2

    AAs
    Midlands-24
    Scuffle-15

    Intermat ranked wrestlers
    Midlands-85
    Scuffle-62
    Last edited by kr1963; 12-23-2010 at 06:40 AM.

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    Very interesting. Confirms the utter absurdity of the Midlands heavyweight bracket.

    Now that you've broken it down that far do you still think 49 is going to be the toughest Scuffle bracket just because of how top heavy it is despite what the numbers say?

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    The way I calculated it the numbers don't lie so obviously no. I had them inverted nearly, when looking @ how I had the top 5. The first pass over the figures though you could see how I might have come to that conclusion as 49 is as you said top heavy. Dake, Caldwell, Molinaro & Gillespie will most likely blow right through the bracket til the semis.

    If one did an even further analysis, like the one SHP does using score difference & opponent's score difference combined & then averaging them out many times, it could show something else. Rankings are still opinions. The math sometimes shows that a competitor is far better then his ranking due to the level of competition he has engaged in. But I think what I did suffices in terms of analysis.

    The Midlands 285 is ridiculous. Even out does 165 & 125.

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    Which Gillespie are you referring to that could blow through a bracket? Is Gregor back?
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