Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Not really that distinct.



So as long as Cael only takes transfers each year at weights he has holes, it's ok? Ryak Finch, come on down!


Time and money spent by Iowa State to recruit these kids isn't a resource?


Iowa State is on the track to recovery? They look to be on a pretty big downward cycle to my eye right now, we'll see how they recruit this year. The only eventual studs I see on the roster next year are Finch and MAYBE Gadsen.

Looking at your screen name, I'm sure you do. In my mind, it's really not that much different. And I don't mind that any of it is happening, either, but I don't appreciate double standards.

I do not think Cael "took" anything. Individual wrestlers choosing to transfer happens every year.

There is a big difference between recruiting resources and scholarships...because you spend your recruiting money with no guarantees; you spend scholarship money on kids who are committed to the program.


This whole topic is funny...it really is one kid, with some troubles, choosing to transfer to a coach he trusts. But, it is opening up some scars for Iowa and ISU people.

Originally Posted by socal nittany

There are a several distinct differences in the VA Tech/Iowa vs PSU/Iowa St situations:

1. The Va Tech to Iowa transfers took place all at once. Brands decided to go to Iowa and, within days afterward, so did the wrestlers. The Iowa State to PSU situation is the case of several individuals (4 total: Cyler, Luke Machiarolli, David Taylor, and now, Andrew Long) making individual decisions over an 18 month period. Admittedly, the first three decided quickly. However Taylor and Machiarolli had never enrolled in class at ISU. ...

To add to your argument VA Tech let Billy Murphy out of his letter of intent to go to Iowa without any penalty becasue he had never enrolled at VA Tech.

Wanna know what happened last time I hip tossed a cop ?? By the time I got home from work-I was bouncing at the time and tossed a drunken reserve deputy out -there were about a dozen of Indianapolis' finest waiting for me and they beat me 1/2 to death and my bond was $250,000.00. I was released after 72 hours but I was definitely not given a second chance .
If any of you had done this what do you think would have happened ? I was facing 1-2 for felony battery -only thing that saved me was the reserve officer was drunk and had slapped a waitress . Next time you get pulled over for a ticket jump out and kick the officer in the bag and see what happens ..

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Not really that distinct.
So as long as Cael only takes transfers each year at weights he has holes, it's ok? Ryak Finch, come on down!
Time and money spent by Iowa State to recruit these kids isn't a resource?
Iowa State is on the track to recovery? They look to be on a pretty big downward cycle to my eye right now, we'll see how they recruit this year. The only eventual studs I see on the roster next year are Finch and MAYBE Gadsen.
Looking at your screen name, I'm sure you do. In my mind, it's really not that much different. And I don't mind that any of it is happening, either, but I don't appreciate double standards.

Thank GOD I didn't have a mouthful of hot tazo chai (tea) when I read this or I would had a painful jet propelled thermal nasal douche...

Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net

Wanna know what happened last time I hip tossed a cop ?? By the time I got home from work-I was bouncing at the time and tossed a drunken reserve deputy out -there were about a dozen of Indianapolis' finest waiting for me and they beat me 1/2 to death and my bond was $250,000.00. I was released after 72 hours but I was definitely not given a second chance .
If any of you had done this what do you think would have happened ? I was facing 1-2 for felony battery -only thing that saved me was the reserve officer was drunk and had slapped a waitress . Next time you get pulled over for a ticket jump out and kick the officer in the bag and see what happens ..

Russ even Hunter S Thompson knew not to kick a cop in the bag...very well done on defending that waitress's honor...

We have had this Iowa/VT vs PSI/ISU debate more then once on several threads. I think we are always gonna just disagree on it.

As far as Long goes, KJ has now said he gave him ample opportunity to get back in the good graces of the ISU community. Long said he got to a point where he realized that the best thing for him was to start completely over somewhere else. No matter where Cael was I think that Long probably would have made that choice to go to where the guy who recruited him was.

For what it is worth, Jared Platt tried to make it back & that would have filled a big hole for PSU @ 97. JP didn't cut it academically & now he is preparing in NJ to go pro in MMA. On the PSU boards there has already been posters asking "Do we really want this guy?" So regardless of what anyone else thinks, there are some standards here & if Long doesn't meet them I will bet that his stay in HV will be very short.

To his credit KJ says he continues to support Andrew though he is disappointed in his decision.