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    That wasn't really Champs original argument. His original argument was that it was a good article. I tended to disagree.

    That being said, the more Flo puts out opinions like that I would tend to agree that coaches would use the perverbial hard copy as fish wrap or butt wipe.
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    Was that Champ's original point? I missed that.
    Good article, no. Irrelevant article, yes. But it's getting a lot of mileage on here, so I'm going to stop thinking, writing, and reading about it.

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    I think its potentially relevant but at this point its all conjecture. In Champs defense, I was the one that originally complained about the article and he was simply defending the guys right to write it kind of and that it wasn't necessarily bad for the sport.
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    I think Flo is at their best with their campus visits. They did a great job at Maryland last week and it looks like they did likewise at North Carolina. It really gives people a better insight into these programs.

    As for the 10 best/worst article. A lot of folk try to use analogies with NCAA and NFL football. I don't think those apply. NCAA football at the BCS level really has everyone fairly even.

    NCAA wrestling probably needs to use some other algorithm. Of our 85 or so Division I programs we are all over the map regarding support. Not everyone is fully funded for scholarships. Not every school even has a full-time head coach. Some are simply tougher for a non-revenue sport athlete to gain admission to the school. Lumping them together doesn't provide a very accurate comparison.
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    Ian, just a little piece of advice -- don't ever lend your name to something you don't agree with. No one understands -- and if they do, they don't care -- about the distinction between having the byline and "contributed to." If your name is on it, the opinion is expected to be yours.

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    From the Tom Brands section of the article:
    And at Iowa you certainly have tools.
    I know this is a little off topic, but did this strike anyone else as kind of funny?

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    this is why wrestling has its problems. we keep an inner circle, and the second someone does something logical, every one lashes out at them because it isnt what has always gone on. holding a coach accountable in a media aspect? oh no, thats disrespectful.

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    my original complaint isn't that it necessarily says someone is doing a good job and someone is doing a bad job. i don't agree that you can just say we took a poll of D1 coaches and here is what we made up about that poll. secondly, i was just saying that in essence i didn't agree with the actual rankings as well. as this stuff about saying things about people's programs and their coaches, i don't really care too much about. that's all opinion in my mind. you actually think i think these coaches give two craps about this article. I think the bigger picture here is "be relevent" with your story. have some quotes, show the question that was put to the coaches. have their responses. if you are going to go halfway with an article then expect it to get some criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyholt View Post
    this is why wrestling has its problems. we keep an inner circle, and the second someone does something logical, every one lashes out at them because it isnt what has always gone on. holding a coach accountable in a media aspect? oh no, thats disrespectful.
    The issue I have with the list is that you have 'media' and 'coaches' doing a 'poll' that was anonymous and then someone writing a story on it. What factors did this 'media' and 'coaches' group use to decide these are the bottom ten coaches. Spin it anyway you want, the list was a bottom ten coaches list. What kind of metricks did they use to get to this decision? If these 'media' sources and 'coaches' want to hold people accountable then why not put their name to it and not hide behind anonymous posting.

    Some of the coaches that appear on the list have resurected dead programs and now all of sudden they are poor coaches because they have a few lean years.

    If you want to talk about top coaches, why not look at coaches who do the most with the least. Look at a Harvard who had three All-Americans in 2007. Look at a Dan Wirnsberger and what he has done with Bucknell. John Stutzman is another good young coach who has done a great job at Bloomsburg Then you have a Bruce Burnett and what he has done with bringing Navy back.

    I think to call Flo a media organization is a stretch at best. They are great site for great interviews and videos but they are not media. There video from event coverage is awesome. It would be like saying Youtube is a media source.

    Martin likes to stir the pot with some of the articles and blogs that they put up on the site.

    I am still not sure how because someone provides an awesome resource with video, it gives them a platform to be a 'watch dog' for wrestling. I am not sure why many of us continue to take everythign that he does at face value and never questions what is real intent is. they follow him blindly for no other reason than he provides video some he must be some type of wrestling messiah. Kind of crazy you ask me.

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