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    Flo Blo's.

    That's going to be my login name if I ever go over there and do anything but watch Zach Sander videos.
    "Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak."

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    Every week on ESPN you hear rumors of coaches being in the hot seat. Just this week the big one was Charlie Wies at Notre Dame. A few weeks ago it was Lane Kiffin and the Raiders. This type of talk goes on all over the sports world. This is perfectly natural, just as ranking the wrestlers, its ranking the coaches.

    One of the coolest things that happened is the domino effect that occurred a couple summers ago with Ohio State, Iowa, Iowa State and the other schools all got new head coaches. College wrestling needs more AD's that aren't afraid to axe an inept coach. There are numerous great assistants out there that could be great head coaches.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    Make no mistake - I find this article appalling. But - journalistically - how is this different than Sports Illustrated's "Who's Hot/Who's Not" feature or the screaming heads on ESPN eviscerating Ty Willingham or Charlie Weis for their coaching performances?

    My larger question is - If your Martin, how do you say this is good for wrestling?

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    What is bad about it? Is it bad for college football for a South Bend journalist to say Weis sucks and needs to be gone?
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    A) This guy is far from a journalist.
    B) He has no facts and no quotes. Its an opinion article.

    To that I say, he's wrong. Some of these coaches on the "hot seat" aren't going anywhere and the colleges that have them are lucky to have them in my opinion. I don't think for what Charlie Weiss gets paid he really gives a rats ass what people say about him. He's making more than alot of college athletic budgets alone.

    These college coaches other than the top tier aren't getting rich off of the sport and have taken lemons in some cases and made lemonade.

    Just don't write at the top of the article that you took a poll of Division I coaches to get this data because its bullshit. I can tell you that none of the bottom ten were asked if they thought they were one of the worst coaches or on the hot seat.

    Do you really believe that Division I coaches believe that Brad Penrith is the second worst coach in the country or the coach who is "most likely" to lose his job this year?

    Do you really believe that J. Robinson or Brian Smith even for that reason believes they are on the list where they think they should be?

    We can argue this all night long but the column is garbage and it should never have hit the internet as anything other than a blog.
    Last edited by goferphan; 11-13-2008 at 08:52 PM.
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    What I think would be a REALLY interesting article would be to talk about who does the best job of recruiting wrestlers and which programs do the best job of developing wrestlers. In Iowa's case I would say that they do BOTH better than anyone currently. No, I don't want to start up a whole Hokeyes rewind here. I say Oklahoma and Iowa State are right there with Iowa and Ohio State is starting to get that reputation as well.

    There are some programs that develop better than they are able to recruit such as Central Michigan in my opinion.

    Then there are some programs that recruit well and seem to be struggling with developing that talent. I am a big Gopher honk but you can easily say that last year's Minnesota team seemed to be potentially one of those situations. Great recruits but few of them developed to their full potential or grew after their sophomore years. Obviously injuries played a part. I also think Nebraska could fit in that box.

    I think that angle on a story would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    A) This guy is far from a journalist.
    B) He has no facts and no quotes. Its an opinion article.

    To that I say, he's wrong. Some of these coaches on the "hot seat" aren't going anywhere and the colleges that have them are lucky to have them in my opinion. I don't think for what Charlie Weiss gets paid he really gives a rats ass what people say about him. He's making more than alot of college athletic budgets alone.

    These college coaches other than the top tier aren't getting rich off of the sport and have taken lemons in some cases and made lemonade.

    Just don't write at the top of the article that you took a poll of Division I coaches to get this data because its bullshit. I can tell you that none of the bottom ten were asked if they thought they were one of the worst coaches or on the hot seat.

    Do you really believe that Division I coaches believe that Brad Penrith is the second worst coach in the country or the coach who is "most likely" to lose his job this year?

    Do you really believe that J. Robinson or Brian Smith even for that reason believes they are on the list where they think they should be?

    We can argue this all night long but the column is garbage and it should never have hit the internet as anything other than a blog.
    So the recent results of the coaches on the hot seat aren't facts? I guess its just an opinion that coaches can't garner AA's or have programs that are dropping faster than the stock market. I guess its not a fact that one coach gets 1 NCAA qualifier out of the Big 10.

    These college coaches won't lose their jobs because their ADs don't treat wrestling like they do basketball or football. If it were treated like it is at Iowa State, Iowa, Ohio State, etc, then you'd see these guys gone for not producing.

    Everything isn't peachy and all the coaches and all the wrestlers aren't going to perform well. Why not just give every coach and wrestler a ribbon and not have a national tournament so we don't hurt their feelings. Because we all know they all can't be winners and don't want to hurt the sport by possibly hurting someone's feelings.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goferphan View Post
    What I think would be a REALLY interesting article would be to talk about who does the best job of recruiting wrestlers and which programs do the best job of developing wrestlers. In Iowa's case I would say that they do BOTH better than anyone currently. No, I don't want to start up a whole Hokeyes rewind here. I say Oklahoma and Iowa State are right there with Iowa and Ohio State is starting to get that reputation as well.

    There are some programs that develop better than they are able to recruit such as Central Michigan in my opinion.

    Then there are some programs that recruit well and seem to be struggling with developing that talent. I am a big Gopher honk but you can easily say that last year's Minnesota team seemed to be potentially one of those situations. Great recruits but few of them developed to their full potential or grew after their sophomore years. Obviously injuries played a part. I also think Nebraska could fit in that box.

    I think that angle on a story would be great.
    Are you serious? That would be horrible for the sport and might hurt someone's feelings. That idea is horrible.
    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    So the recent results of the coaches on the hot seat aren't facts? I guess its just an opinion that coaches can't garner AA's or have programs that are dropping faster than the stock market. I guess its not a fact that one coach gets 1 NCAA qualifier out of the Big 10.

    These college coaches won't lose their jobs because their ADs don't treat wrestling like they do basketball or football. If it were treated like it is at Iowa State, Iowa, Ohio State, etc, then you'd see these guys gone for not producing.

    Everything isn't peachy and all the coaches and all the wrestlers aren't going to perform well. Why not just give every coach and wrestler a ribbon and not have a national tournament so we don't hurt their feelings. Because we all know they all can't be winners and don't want to hurt the sport by possibly hurting someone's feelings.
    It's really no more than an opinion. I could make the argument that J Robinson needs to be gone because he had the most talented team coming into last year and flopped. That, of course, would be wrong (and insulting). Pitt's coach brought along Gavin, a 2x national champion (which is to say one of the 10 best wrestlers in the nation), but he is at risk of losing his job?

    The ADs can't treat wrestling like football because it isn't football. This is why you don't see Intermat (or themat, or TWT, or Rev) releasing articles about "The Worst 149 pounders in the nation" or "The biggest failure in the Freshman class".

    I'm all for creating success in wrestling or I never would have approached Shane to help build up TWT, but there are much more constructive ways to do it. If Flo stuck to doing what they do better than anyone else they'd serve the wrestling community much more.

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