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    I would say that Konrad was a better "wrestler". Yeah, Brock had a blast double that looked like a fright train at 90mph, but his wrestling skills lacked compared to Konrads, imo. Brock seemed to outmuscle alot of his opponents whereas Cole outwrestled his.

    From my recollection alot of Lesnars takedowns came from droping to one knee and reaching. There wasn't a whole lot of penetration. If he could get his hand around a leg he could pull it in, usually. Alot of his offense was actually a defense caused by his opponent inability to get past his huge arms when he shot. Brock would "sprawl", sort of and hold them down and spin around them. It's a great technique but not the most technical. Brock used his large frame and strength to his advantage, which is very smart on his part.(guessing his coaches told him to do that) He had a very scaled down repetoir but used it effectively. I would even say that Sheldon Benjiman was a better "wrestler' than Brock was, just not as strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    I would say that Konrad was a better "wrestler". Yeah, Brock had a blast double that looked like a fright train at 90mph, but his wrestling skills lacked compared to Konrads, imo. Brock seemed to outmuscle alot of his opponents whereas Cole outwrestled his.

    From my recollection alot of Lesnars takedowns came from droping to one knee and reaching. There wasn't a whole lot of penetration. If he could get his hand around a leg he could pull it in, usually. Alot of his offense was actually a defense caused by his opponent inability to get past his huge arms when he shot. Brock would "sprawl", sort of and hold them down and spin around them. It's a great technique but not the most technical. Brock used his large frame and strength to his advantage, which is very smart on his part.(guessing his coaches told him to do that) He had a very scaled down repetoir but used it effectively. I would even say that Sheldon Benjiman was a better "wrestler' than Brock was, just not as strong.
    We aren't comparing Lesnar to Cole Konrad, we're comparing him to Cain Velasquez.


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    Brock wrestled DI 2 years and was in the finals 2 years. He lost once to one of the greatest Collegiate wrestlers of all time 3-2 and he lost to Wes Hand who was a NCAA finalist. He was 2 time Big 10 Champion. If you define 'better' by career success, I don't see how you can possibly consider Cain a better college wrestlers
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    We aren't comparing Lesnar to Cole Konrad, we're comparing him to Cain Velasquez.

    I know but you brought up Konrad and my brain went a little askew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    I know but you brought up Konrad and my brain went a little askew.
    No, actually it's good - it shows that cain had to wrestle with better people then Brock.

    But it seems like Brock was dominant in his times. Thanks for the answers and I hope the thread will continue

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    I think Brock had the "best" at his time in Stephen Neal, but Konrad probably had a larger quantity of quality wrestlers in his time. Brock lost to Neal though so it doesnt really matter. Had they wrestled at the same time I think Brock loses to Mocco as well as Konrad. Those guys were wrestlers first whereas Lesnars wrestling was secondary to his strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloody_cody View Post
    No, actually it's good - it shows that cain had to wrestle with better people then Brock.

    But it seems like Brock was dominant in his times. Thanks for the answers and I hope the thread will continue
    Dude, Stephen Neal went and won a gold medal at the World Championships a few months after beating Lesnar. Now he starts for the Patriots after not playing college football. Cole Konrad was excellent, but you can't say for sure that he would have beaten Neal.

    I agree with Herkey that Lesnar loses to both Konrad and Mocco. Probably Rowlands, too.


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    I wrestled with Cain and consider him a friend, but I'd bet a lot of money that Brock would have beaten him in a collegiate wrestling match. Cain had a lot of trouble with bigger guys who were somewhat agile. He would pound the butterballs because he was in shape. But guys like Wagner and Konrad who were big and could move fairly well, he really couldn't do anything against at all.
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    I agree, in their primes Brock would be tough to beat.
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