Yeah, I took a 24 hr train ride through Turkey/Bulgaria with Leroy once and I can guess exactly what kind of humor you are referring to. Very funny guy, but not the kind of things you go around saying if you plan on having any kind of public career! Leroy is a great guy though. As for Ortiz, he was a wrestler during the 1+ year that I was at ASU with SKK. Never struck me as a particularly warm or friendly kind of person. Sounds like my perception was fairly accurate. Really too bad about Simpson, whom I have only heard great things about.