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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Oliver will not meet expectations. A lot of the stuff he was doing in high school he will have less success. He doesn't have that "killer" instinct in the close matches, and has a tendency to wrestle not to lose after he gets a lead instead of building on it. Just my opinion after watching him in several matches.
    I've seen Jordan wrestle since he was a freshman in high school and I don't believe any of that to be true. Jordan has the talent and ability to be at least a three-time All-American and will be contending for an NCAA championship. There's a reason he went to Oklahoma State, his style is something John Smith and Eric Guerrero can work with and fine-tune.

    I'm curious on what you mean by killer instinct. A close match with Tyler Graff? What about his major decision over Matt McDonough? Things people might "expect" him to open up, but if opponents block and "try to keep it close," it looks negatively on Oliver.

    Oliver's skillset is outstanding. He's great on his feet, very good on top with an array of turns and tilts. He's not used to being on bottom, having been so dominant on the high school level. People didn't think Coleman Scott was as dominant as he could have been coming out of high school and he ended up being a four-time All-American.

    Jordan's better than people give him credit for. If he gets thrown to the wolves this year, I think he'll end up doing fine at 133. With a RS, he'll be dangerous for four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart Shark View Post
    I've seen Jordan wrestle since he was a freshman in high school and I don't believe any of that to be true. Jordan has the talent and ability to be at least a three-time All-American and will be contending for an NCAA championship. There's a reason he went to Oklahoma State, his style is something John Smith and Eric Guerrero can work with and fine-tune.

    I'm curious on what you mean by killer instinct. A close match with Tyler Graff? What about his major decision over Matt McDonough? Things people might "expect" him to open up, but if opponents block and "try to keep it close," it looks negatively on Oliver.

    Oliver's skillset is outstanding. He's great on his feet, very good on top with an array of turns and tilts. He's not used to being on bottom, having been so dominant on the high school level. People didn't think Coleman Scott was as dominant as he could have been coming out of high school and he ended up being a four-time All-American.

    Jordan's better than people give him credit for. If he gets thrown to the wolves this year, I think he'll end up doing fine at 133. With a RS, he'll be dangerous for four years.
    I was at the Oliver/McDonough match and that match may well have shown all of Oliver's strengths and weaknesses. Jordan scored on at least 5 different takedown moves - at will. However, had the match been 7 minutes instead of 6 (as they will be in the future) the score might have been closer. On that particular evening, he had very little left in the tank after the second period and it showed.

    I suspect that he's going to win an awful lot of college matches with his offensive arsenal - and lose some due to lack of conditioning.

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    Jim,
    I'd think the match, a good month after the season, had conditioning issues all around. Not an excuse by any means, but one match in April, a month after a THIRD PA state title (Beating Kindig, mind you) might not be the best indicator.

    I've seen Jordan at his best ... and saw him win Junior and Cadet Freestyle championships ... Once he is fully training in Stillwater, I think the conditioning will take care of itself.

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    Once he is fully training in Stillwater, I think the conditioning will take care of itself.
    I agree. In terms of a wrestler fitting in with a coach you won't find a better fit than Jordan Oliver going to be coached by John Smith.

    Scoring as many points as he did against McDonough (11 in the first two minutes) would tire even the best out I imagine.

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    Don't get me wrong, I was VERY impressed with Jordan's skills - especially after having seen McDonough against Dylan Carew a couple of times.

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    Of the guys who just graduated HS, are any of them confirmed to be red shirting or wrestling (assuming they make the team)? I would imagine some have an idea one way or the other and its not still up to the coach
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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    Of the guys who just graduated HS, are any of them confirmed to be red shirting or wrestling (assuming they make the team)? I would imagine some have an idea one way or the other and its not still up to the coach
    I would be fairly certain that all of the Iowa recruits are redshirting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gg121and2 View Post
    I would be fairly certain that all of the Iowa recruits are redshirting.
    thanks - I'm anxious to hear any big names, one way or the other.

    Rutgers especially, do they have everyone wrestle, everyone wait or will it be a mix.
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    Howe is listed as the varsity 165 lber at Wisconsin -I thought he would go 157.

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