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    The better team is still with Dustin at 149, and Saf at 157. You're over thinking things.

    Its a stronger team, and plus I think just as a sheer individual competitor theres no way Dustin leaves 149 this year.

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    Okay, we will see what happens but 174 is a big hole in my opinion and I have to agree that some of our guys (Ness), (Reiter), (Rivera), (DS), (CP) and (Dretsch) looked really sucked down last year.

    People can say what they want but none of those guys other than Ness and Reiter finished at or above where I would have expected them too. Obviously CP and Kish were injured so I can look past that.

    I know I am overthinking some things but when you watch Iowa State finish well ahead of the Gophers last year and their new philosophy of wrestling guys closer to their natural weights, I will be keeping a close eye on that this year.
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    You kind of mess up your argument with your mention of Ness and Reiter as the guys who wrestled the best at the end given that those two were probably the two guys in the line up that had to pay the closest attention to their weights last year.

    Manny never struck me as a particularly big 141, and then Dustin looked really good during Big 10's up until the finals, and then he got injured on one of those shots out of bounds in the second period (this isn't the "biased Gopher fan talking either its a fact, I can dig the article up).

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    I do mention that Ness and Reiter wrestled at or above their seeds but Reiter went through his struggles and then I think his body finally made the adjustment right around that Nebraska dual. Ness may not have struggled at all per se. I think Dretsch definitely struggled with his weight.

    I am not certain but it would be interesting to talk to the guys that have graduated and ask them for their uncensored opinion of there performances at NCAA's and if they thought pulling too much weight hurt them.

    I respect your opinion but the way the season ended just left me wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    You kind of mess up your argument with your mention of Ness and Reiter as the guys who wrestled the best at the end given that those two were probably the two guys in the line up that had to pay the closest attention to their weights last year.

    Manny never struck me as a particularly big 141, and then Dustin looked really good during Big 10's up until the finals, and then he got injured on one of those shots out of bounds in the second period (this isn't the "biased Gopher fan talking either its a fact, I can dig the article up).
    Now Jensen, weren't you always the one quoting Ness as saying he only cut a couple of pounds from his in-season weight?

    As far as Mack, he's always been a good cutter...but I do know it had to have an effect.
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    Ness said in his FloWrestling interview that he worked very hard to stay down at around 31, and then cut off the 6 from there. I've argued against people saying that his "fat and happy" weight was at 135 when Ness himself said that it wasn't.

    Gof I don't know what you're talking about with Reiter getting right by the Nebraska dual or even which Nebraska dual you're talking about.

    Reiter was losing matches right up until the postseason and even at Big 10's to the point where people were tolling the funeral bells for his career.

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    Let me ask this to the Gopher fans...the last couple of years, your guys have consistently underperformed vis-a-vis your seed, and projected finish, at Nationals. Are J-Rob's boys been cutting too much weight all season the last several years? Is he overscheduling in-season? Clearly, something is going wrong during the three-day grind known as Nationals, and I firmly believe that making weight for a second consecutive day, and still having to hold down your nutrient intake during that day takes its toll on how they wrestle, and remember, most wrestlers (probably 99+% of national qualifiers) do not get the opportunity to wrestle on three consecutive days at any point during the season before NCAA's, so by the time they realize they've been cutting too much weight, they've been R12ed.

    Parting shot for this post: Some say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. Maybe that fits J-Rob's nationals preparation, in terms of weight cutting, overscheduling, the practice grind, etc.

    Just out of curiousity, if Mickey Mouse makes it to Saturday, and then DNMWs, does he get credit as an All-American? Obviously, his team points are wiped out, but does Mr. Mouse get to take his rightful place on the medal stand?

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    I am saying that he began at least to wrestle six minutes by the Nebraska dual last year. He came back on his guy in the third period.

    I am not going to argue semantics with you on my opinion. My opinion is that alot of guys were sucking to much weight last year. The facts are that when they hit Big Tens and NCAA's where they were having to make weight two days in a row, they struggled. I remember enough about wrestling to know that anyone can make weight for a night and go out and put six minutes together when his team needs him but to have to put it together for two days against elite talent tends to become an equalizer for many at NCAA's.
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    I agree with Gopher. The Nebraska dual when Mack got the last second crunch on Jordan was a turning point in his confidence for the year. He was very questionable till then.


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