Discuss Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010 at the College Wrestling within the Wrestling Talk Forums; http://themat.com/section.php?section_id=5&amp;page=ranking_details&amp;Rank ingID=1167 For what it's worth, Ness would have been fourth in the pound-for-pound rankings....
1. ## Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

http://themat.com/section.php?section_id=5&page=ranking_details&Rank ingID=1167

For what it's worth, Ness would have been fourth in the pound-for-pound rankings.

2. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

How did Metcalf lose points? He had two pins, including one over #7 ranked (the previous week) Frank Molinaro.)

3. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

Iowa dropping to third in the dual "component" should put these rankings into perspective. Obviously a flawwed equation. Back to the drawing board SHP.

4. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

Here's a post I made on TOM regarding this issue, taken from the angle that Iowa is significantly ahead in the tournament-strength rankings, but third in the dual-strength rankings:

"Tight doesn't really begin to explain it. Iowa State beats Iowa 17-16 in the dual-component rankings, and Oklahoma State ties both schools. The reason, of course, is balance. The fact that I've ranked Lofthouse (over Beatty) and Raising (over Erekson) doesn't do a ton of favors for the Hawkeyes either. (Sorenson also would be highly unlikely to be ranked fifth if Janssen had been ranked this week instead of Kerr)

Given that Erekson should debut in these rankings next week, I'd anticipate Iowa will move to number one in the dual-component rankings as well.

On your tournament/dual argument, compare these numbers:

Iowa: 2, 1, 11, 1, 15, 4, 2, 12, 28, 40
Iowa State: 5, 14, 23, 9, 5, 1, 24, 11, 1, 6
Oklahoma State: 9, 2, 5, 25, 12, 11, 6, 9, 8, 1

Given that those fringe starters are just as likely to decide a dual as those All-Americans, does it make sense that the dual-component and tournament-strength rankings would look different?"

5. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

It should be fun listening to the Iowa fans (like Herkey) do a 180 on these rankings when you actually do put Beatty and Erekson back in.

They'll go from obnoxiously stating you should "go back to the drawing board" to loving you.

6. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

Originally Posted by JensenS
It should be fun listening to the Iowa fans (like Herkey) do a 180 on these rankings when you actually do put Beatty and Erekson back in.

They'll go from obnoxiously stating you should "go back to the drawing board" to loving you.
I doubt it. Since Iowa beat Iowa States #1 lineup using LeClere and Raising, both back ups, I would assume that they should be ahead of them right now. Also Iowa beat Oklahoma States #1 team without Beatty or Erekson as well. You could say that Oklahoma State is without White but since he has not and will not wrestle this year you would have to sumize that they were using their #1 149lber thus having their best team.

To summerize, and I'll type slowly for JensenS, Iowa has beat both the #2 and #3 teams in the nation, while they were at full strength, while being down two starters in each dual.

Oh and I almost forgot. At national duals, Iowa beat Iowa State while using backups, Nate Moore, Dan LeClere and Luke Lofthouse. Although Iowa State did use Dalton Jensen instead of Nate Gallick.

Iowa should be ranked ahead of these teams even when you take our backups into consideration BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. To stare in the face of facts and lie discredits your ranking system. Back to the drawing board.

7. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

Originally Posted by Herkey#1
To stare in the face of facts and lie discredits your ranking system. Back to the drawing board.
How in the world have you extrapolated the idea that SHP is lying about anything?

8. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

Originally Posted by JensenS
How in the world have you extrapolated the idea that SHP is lying about anything?

I never said that SHP was lying. His rankings are though. They are telling us that Iowa State and Oklahoma State are better dual teams than Iowa is, while Iowa has beaten both of them while being undermaned.

Nice try.

9. ## Re: Dual Impact Index through February 7, 2010

I still don't get why Letts is ranked but Krom is not, when Letts has been out longer than Krom.

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