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    It would go to Metcalf. SHP showed a nice stat on themat that exhibited Metcalf's dominance. Ness would be close, but he's wrestled less, and against less D-1 starters (according to SHP).
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    I think the hodge winner should also not be missing matches. He dodged the kauffman brand, and didnt wrestle half of national duals. I think wrestling in all your matches should have a big part of it too. He's looked great but I think he needs to wrestle some more matches to be in the discussion.
    Esco, metcalf, varner and even J Bo are in the discussion imo.
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    My prediction is that Metcalf will win if he goes undefeated.
    Him getting the award two years ago with a defeat showed that the voting will favor the Iowa guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    It would go to Metcalf. SHP showed a nice stat on themat that exhibited Metcalf's dominance. Ness would be close, but he's wrestled less, and against less D-1 starters (according to SHP).
    This assumes that the selection committee uses the stat. Also, you're not entirely right.

    If you use SHP's calculations, Metcalf has a slightly better "win percentage against D1 starters" (.898 to .893). However, Ness has a better "win percentage against D1 competition" than Metcalf (.917 to .911).

    Anyhow, I seriously doubt the committee strictly adheres to this stat when selecting the Hodge winner... I wouldn't be surprised at all if Metcalf were to get it in this imaginary early awarding, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    My prediction is that Metcalf will win if he goes undefeated.
    Him getting the award two years ago with a defeat showed that the voting will favor the Iowa guy.
    I agree--Unless Ness or Varner starts pinning top 5 people left and right. But even then he would have a shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    My prediction is that Metcalf will win if he goes undefeated.
    Him getting the award two years ago with a defeat showed that the voting will favor the Iowa guy.
    That's a ridiculous statement. If the voting "favored" Iowa wrestlers, don't you think more then two would have won the award? Dont you think Lincoln McIlravy would have won it in 1997 over Kerry McCoy, or TJ Williams in 1999 over eventual winner Stephen Neal? You can't take one year that you didn't agree and use it to prove an overlying point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    That's a ridiculous statement. If the voting "favored" Iowa wrestlers, don't you think more then two would have won the award? Dont you think Lincoln McIlravy would have won it in 1997 over Kerry McCoy, or TJ Williams in 1999 over eventual winner Stephen Neal? You can't take one year that you didn't agree and use it to prove an overlying point.
    I can't talk about the other years, maybe the bias is just for wrestlers from the midwest or maybe they have a completely different panel than they did in the 1990's, but I know 2 years ago they ignored the #1 criteria on their own list (undefeated), to give the award to Metcalf over Gavin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I can't talk about the other years, maybe the bias is just for wrestlers from the midwest or maybe they have a completely different panel than they did in the 1990's, but I know 2 years ago they ignored the #1 criteria on their own list (undefeated), to give the award to Metcalf over Gavin.
    There are several criteria. Yes, they probably SHOULD have given the award to Gavin because he was undefeated, but they gave it to Metcalf. It's an award with several criteria, not one dispositive criteria. The Heisman Committee probably SHOULD have given the 1997 Heisman to Peyton Manning, but Charles Woodson is also a deserving winner. This years Heisman should have gone to Ndamukong Suh, but Mark Ingram proved himself deserving. Congrats to Brent Metcalf, a deserving winner of the 2008 Hodge Trophy if not necessarily the BEST candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    There are several criteria. Yes, they probably SHOULD have given the award to Gavin because he was undefeated, but they gave it to Metcalf. It's an award with several criteria, not one dispositive criteria. The Heisman Committee probably SHOULD have given the 1997 Heisman to Peyton Manning, but Charles Woodson is also a deserving winner. This years Heisman should have gone to Ndamukong Suh, but Mark Ingram proved himself deserving. Congrats to Brent Metcalf, a deserving winner of the 2008 Hodge Trophy if not necessarily the BEST candidate.
    We have been through this before...the Hodge trophy lists its criteria in order and #1 is being undefeated, so I think it was unfair to deny Gavin the trophy that year and I also extrapolated from that some Iowa bias. I believe the committtee who votes is mostly (all?) journalists and Iowa is overrepresented in wrestling journalists. If the criteria were more vague such as the "best" or "most dominating" college wrestler, tehn I have no argument and Metcalf was a great choice. And if Ness, Varner and Metcalf are all undefeated National champs this year, my prediction is that Metcalf will win.
    In that hypothetical scenario, I would vote for Ness since he has tougher competition and is even more of a pinner than Metcalf.

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